have you updated the firmware on your BD60? I think there on rev 1.7 or 1.8 now....try that first.

Also, did you render AVCHD in 720p or 1080i?

Since you have 20min of video, you could try rendering at 24 mbps at 1080i, that might help or try other combinations as well.

Alex

Quote: have you updated the firmware on your BD60? I think there on rev 1.7 or 1.8 now....try that first.

Also, did you render AVCHD in 720p or 1080i?

Since you have 20min of video, you could try rendering at 24 mbps at 1080i, that might help or try other combinations as well.

Alex

sorry if im a noob but how do i render in 720?
the only setting i see when making the disc is SD or 1440x1080or 1920x1080
i chose 1920x1080
edit: i have just tried it on a sony blu ray player and there it worked flawlessly?? could it really be that my player dont support avchd even though it says so in the manual? im on the latest firmware.. and as far as i can tell the dmp-bd60 has had pretty good reviews

Hi shareonline -

When burning AVCHD discs, the SD option is [b]SD 720X480.

I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about AVCHD DVD or BRD burning, but if you look at the specifications for the Panasonic BD-60 here - http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=4993 - it doesn't mention AVCHD DVD in the compatible discs (only under SD Cards), yet the manual does! [see attached] A little confusing.

In what format/profile/resolution are the clips that were used in your project?

Cheers - Tony
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Quote: Hi shareonline -

When burning AVCHD discs, the SD option is [b]SD 720X480.

I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about AVCHD DVD or BRD burning, but if you look at the specifications for the Panasonic BD-60 here - http://www.panasonic.com.au/products/details.cfm?objectID=4993 - it doesn't mention AVCHD DVD in the compatible discs (only under SD Cards), yet the manual does! [see attached] A little confusing.

In what format/profile/resolution are the clips that were used in your project?

Cheers - Tony

That is really wierd.. I just talked to panasonic support, and oh my god they had no clue what i was talking about!! really bad support..
But they said that i should try with the software that was with my camera (hd writer 1.5) witch is really really a bad piece of software, but i will try later today, and if that works i could possibly narrow it down to a codec problem..

We will see.. Thx for the help so far! and will report back with results..

EDIT: i have one .vob file (universal pictures logo) and the rest is 100% .MTS files. These is produced into a file.m2ts witch i try to burn..
The resolution of the .vob file is SD and the resolution of my camera is 1080 with 24P mode

What is your bitrate, especially at the stuttering points? (You can check in PowerDVD on your PC, w/ "Show Information" selected in config menu, or just know what bitrate you rendered at.)

DVD-Rs normally cannot playback faster than 18Mbps, limited by rotational speed of the data coming off the media.
So any bitrate above say 17Mbps is in danger of stuttering. (and even that is risky, if you have decent audio bitrate or some higher peaks etc)

Try a lower bitrate like 15Mbps if you can and see if that works better - especially if you are not using full 1080 res, 15Mbps hopefully should be good for eg 720p.

You might try copying the AVCHD file to an SD card and playing directly off there , to ensure the rendered video file is OK, but that's what I suspect.

Quote: What is your bitrate, especially at the stuttering points? (You can check in PowerDVD on your PC, w/ "Show Information" selected in config menu, or just know what bitrate you rendered at.)

DVD-Rs normally cannot playback faster than 18Mbps, limited by rotational speed of the data coming off the media.
So any bitrate above say 17Mbps is in danger of stuttering. (and even that is risky, if you have decent audio bitrate or some higher peaks etc)

Try a lower bitrate like 15Mbps if you can and see if that works better - especially if you are not using full 1080 res, 15Mbps hopefully should be good for eg 720p.

You might try copying the AVCHD file to an SD card and playing directly off there , to ensure the rendered video file is OK, but that's what I suspect.

But how do i do that? when i produce or when i burn? cause when i burn i don't have alot of options..

I have know produced the movie in 720P AVCHD but how to burn it like that? when i add the new encoded movie to my timeline and select create disc, the only options i get is SD 720x480, HD 1440x1080 and HD 1920x1080.. There is no 1280x720 in create disc, only in produce disc?!??

Since the Create Disk module section only has 3 "quality" / resolution settings for burning AVCHD disks (SD 720x480, HD 1440x1080, and HD 1920x1080), and none of those appear to have quality settings for AVCHD (eg bitrate),
the best option is probably to render an AVCHD video file(s) in the Produce section first, and then import those file(s) in the Create Disk content section.

You should be able to s
You can make your files whatever resolution you want, 720p, 1080 or whatever, I'm not sure what happens if you try to create a disk w/ 720p source files and use the 1440x1080 disk setting, it might re-render it, oops.

Suggest you try 1920x1080 first w/ 16Mbps max bitrate first, and see how the quality of the video file is (you might get poor results if you have lots of detail/motion); if it's poor, you can try to reduce the resolution also (first 1440, then to 720p) w/ same bitrate and see if it is acceptable. Then you can try going to the Create Disk section.

The Create Disk section for AVCHD disks, by the way, DOES have a "removeable disk" option where you can create a "disk on an SDHC card".
This should play back well on the Panasonic bluray players w/ SD card,
and is likely faster/easier than DVD-R. It probably would support the higher bitrate also, just to test.
This won't work well for permanent storage or distribution to others, but is a quick way to test, hopefully.

Quote: Since the Create Disk module section only has 3 "quality" / resolution settings for burning AVCHD disks (SD 720x480, HD 1440x1080, and HD 1920x1080), and none of those appear to have quality settings for AVCHD (eg bitrate),
the best option is probably to render an AVCHD video file(s) in the Produce section first, and then import those file(s) in the Create Disk content section.

You should be able to s
You can make your files whatever resolution you want, 720p, 1080 or whatever, I'm not sure what happens if you try to create a disk w/ 720p source files and use the 1440x1080 disk setting, it might re-render it, oops.

Suggest you try 1920x1080 first w/ 16Mbps max bitrate first, and see how the quality of the video file is (you might get poor results if you have lots of detail/motion); if it's poor, you can try to reduce the resolution also (first 1440, then to 720p) w/ same bitrate and see if it is acceptable. Then you can try going to the Create Disk section.

The Create Disk section for AVCHD disks, by the way, DOES have a "removeable disk" option where you can create a "disk on an SDHC card".
This should play back well on the Panasonic bluray players w/ SD card,
and is likely faster/easier than DVD-R. It probably would support the higher bitrate also, just to test.
This won't work well for permanent storage or distribution to others, but is a quick way to test, hopefully.

Thank you so much for the answer!, it helps me understand it all a little better.. I tried to produce the movie in 720P and then burn it later with 1920x1080 and this did the trick for me.. my bluray player know runs it fluint off the disc! hurra When putting the video on SD card there are no problems what so ever..
It's good that i have a solution, however when doing it this way it re encodes the movie when burning witch i'm afraid takes a lot of time.. So the movie making process is quite slow (the reason why i bought a new video camera was so that i did not have to fiddle around with tapes) but this ends up taking the sae amount of time im afraid.. Cyberlink should put a 720P res in there create disc menu, so i wouldn't have to re-encode..

Quote:

Quote: Since the Create Disk module section only has 3 "quality" / resolution settings for burning AVCHD disks (SD 720x480, HD 1440x1080, and HD 1920x1080), and none of those appear to have quality settings for AVCHD (eg bitrate),
the best option is probably to render an AVCHD video file(s) in the Produce section first, and then import those file(s) in the Create Disk content section.

You should be able to s
You can make your files whatever resolution you want, 720p, 1080 or whatever, I'm not sure what happens if you try to create a disk w/ 720p source files and use the 1440x1080 disk setting, it might re-render it, oops.

Suggest you try 1920x1080 first w/ 16Mbps max bitrate first, and see how the quality of the video file is (you might get poor results if you have lots of detail/motion); if it's poor, you can try to reduce the resolution also (first 1440, then to 720p) w/ same bitrate and see if it is acceptable. Then you can try going to the Create Disk section.

The Create Disk section for AVCHD disks, by the way, DOES have a "removeable disk" option where you can create a "disk on an SDHC card".
This should play back well on the Panasonic bluray players w/ SD card,
and is likely faster/easier than DVD-R. It probably would support the higher bitrate also, just to test.
This won't work well for permanent storage or distribution to others, but is a quick way to test, hopefully.

Thank you so much for the answer!, it helps me understand it all a little better.. I tried to produce the movie in 720P and then burn it later with 1920x1080 and this did the trick for me.. my bluray player know runs it fluint off the disc! hurra When putting the video on SD card there are no problems what so ever..
It's good that i have a solution, however when doing it this way it re encodes the movie when burning witch i'm afraid takes a lot of time.. So the movie making process is quite slow (the reason why i bought a new video camera was so that i did not have to fiddle around with tapes) but this ends up taking the sae amount of time im afraid.. Cyberlink should put a 720P res in there create disc menu, so i wouldn't have to re-encode..

You will have to re-encode at least once, to downgrade from 24Mbps 1080 to a bitrate the DVD-R will accept, so that's one...
did it re-encode again from 720p movie, in the Create Disk/burn section, back to 1080? That's only once at least.

If you get a BluRay burner, then you shouldn't need to re-encode, as it has enough disk space and speed to handle lots of 24Mbps 1080 videos, but they are still like ~$200 (and disks are $3-5 each)

You should be able to quickly author to the SD card, w/o re-encoding, if you want to make quick (but temporary) videos at least.

None of these software packages are perfect, cyberlink comes closest so far, but I have like 3 of them to get all my work done

Yep it re-encodes again when burning i'm afraid..
I agree that cyberlink really comes close it is a good piece of software, and worth every penny..

Damn if the price for a bluray burner and discs was that low here in denmark i would by them instantly!
I have to pay minimum 300$ for the burner and if i buy the disc from germany without the danish taxes i get them for 7$ each

Quote: Yep it re-encodes again when burning i'm afraid..
I agree that cyberlink really comes close it is a good piece of software, and worth every penny..

Damn if the price for a bluray burner and discs was that low here in denmark i would by them instantly!
I have to pay minimum 300$ for the burner and if i buy the disc from germany without the danish taxes i get them for 7$ each

I got an LG WH08LS20K for that $100ish price at Newegg but it was a big sale. It's closer to $200 now (edited above).
So far BD authoring is kind of a pain;
my lazy solution is just producing HD MPG2 and AVCHD files, and I play them straight off PC network shares or USB drives to my LG BD390 bluray player. The Panasonic SDHC card method isn't quite as easy, but is close.

Quote:

Quote: Yep it re-encodes again when burning i'm afraid..
I agree that cyberlink really comes close it is a good piece of software, and worth every penny..

Damn if the price for a bluray burner and discs was that low here in denmark i would by them instantly!
I have to pay minimum 300$ for the burner and if i buy the disc from germany without the danish taxes i get them for 7$ each

I got an LG WH08LS20K for that $100ish price at Newegg but it was a big sale. It's closer to $200 now (edited above).
So far BD authoring is kind of a pain;
my lazy solution is just producing HD MPG2 and AVCHD files, and I play them straight off PC network shares or USB drives to my LG BD390 bluray player. The Panasonic SDHC card method isn't quite as easy, but is close.

Is it a pain because of the encoding time or software troubles?

Quote:

Quote:

Quote: Yep it re-encodes again when burning i'm afraid..
I agree that cyberlink really comes close it is a good piece of software, and worth every penny..

Damn if the price for a bluray burner and discs was that low here in denmark i would by them instantly!
I have to pay minimum 300$ for the burner and if i buy the disc from germany without the danish taxes i get them for 7$ each

I got an LG WH08LS20K for that $100ish price at Newegg but it was a big sale. It's closer to $200 now (edited above).
So far BD authoring is kind of a pain;
my lazy solution is just producing HD MPG2 and AVCHD files, and I play them straight off PC network shares or USB drives to my LG BD390 bluray player. The Panasonic SDHC card method isn't quite as easy, but is close.

Is it a pain because of the encoding time or software troubles?

Both. Sometimes crashes or messes up, no control over the res/bitrate in the burning module (as you saw)- but then you lose the timeline chapter marks if you use a produced file (and, in any case, the author module doesn't use the chapter mark names, just the times)..
little control over the menu styles/layouts...
Sometimes it forces re-encode of produced files (eg captured from HDTV), which takes forever and 2x the space, and then doesn't fit...
Sometimes I do my authoring in Corel VideoStudio, but it is buggy/limited also, just in different ways No one solution.

Hey
I had the same lag here on my dvd.
I fixed it burning the final DVD using the slowest speed possible!
1x or 2x.
Burning in 8x causes lags thrust me!

Quote: Hey
I had the same lag here on my dvd.
I fixed it burning the final DVD using the slowest speed possible!
1x or 2x.
Burning in 8x causes lags thrust me!

But that doesn't make sense?!? i mean i burn at 8X and normally have 0 problems with burning movies? but hey i will of course try it out to see if it makes a difference

By the way.. Is it a AVCHD dvd you are burning or a normal DVD?

Have you been monitoring this post? http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/9775.page#44204

Dafydd
[Moderator]

Quote: Have you been monitoring this post? http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/9775.page#44204

Dafydd
[Moderator]

Nice thx for the link!

It seems to be related to the pana bd players.. It seems that i can get a fluid movie when producing in 720P format and then burning in 1080P format.. the quality will be downgraded for sure, but my HDC-TM10 is not the best camera anyway so i am quite happy with the results..

Shareonline,

I was considering upgrading from my panasonic DMP-BD30 to a DMP-BD60, but having read your posts think I will wait. I am keen to keep to a panasonic player as you can so easily insert an SDHC card from camera to bluray for immediate playback. Not sure I would be able to do this with a Sony bluray player.

I have the latest firmware and have tried burning AVCHD to DVD-RW, DVD-R (tried slowest speed 8 - options were 16/12/ Verbatim & Memorex. I have even burned the same project to a BD-RE disk. Still getting glitches/pauses/audio breakup's at a small number of transitions (always in the same places). Many other transitions play back perfectly!! and all disks playback without any problem on my PC using Power DVD and on a Sony PS3.

My problem may well be caused by some conflict, using SVRT with panasonic files. Cyberlink seem to have sorted Canon AVCHD files, SVRT support so I am hoping for a similar fix for panasonic raw files at some future point.

Regards

Stuart Windows 7, 64 bit, core i7, 12 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 4870 1GB
Panasonic HDC-TM300