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Settings I have to set to export GoPro 4k video without lose quality
iplocker [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 17, 2021 16:20 Messages: 11 Offline
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Hello.
Can somebody gave me the settings I need to set to export the same 4k video I m getting from my GoPro camera?
This is the video from GoPro: https://prnt.sc/10oh3n0
Is these settings are correct : <a>https://prnt.sc/10oh31d</a>

PS. Really is somewhere a documentation explains the available file formats in the producing?
Thanks

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optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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The easiest way to match your source clip's quality is to click on Profile Analyzer on the produce page. Intelligent SVRT will give you very fast produce times and will simply copy unchanged sections to the produced video, but SVRT is not available for every type of clip.

In that case, choose a profile from Best Matched Format, which will typically set PD to produce using the same settings as your source clip.
3POINT [Avatar]
Member Location: Germany Joined: Oct 01, 2015 03:52 Messages: 149 Offline
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PD is able to SVRT render Gopro footage, only issue I have (Hero7) is that there is a viewable difference in levels for those parts (transitions etc) that have been re-rendered and the SVRT render. The re-rendered parts are brighter. So better do not use SVRT render for Gopro footage but re-render (with best matched) the whole project instead. Recware: DJI Osmo Pocket, GoproHero7Black, PanasonicFZ300/HCX909, Sony PXW-X160.
Software: Vegaspro365+Vegasaur/PowerDirector365
Hardware: i910900k,32GB,GTX2080s, 1920x1200 display
Playware: Samsung Qled QE65Q6FN, Philips 55PFL7108
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Quote Hello.
Can somebody gave me the settings I need to set to export the same 4k video I m getting from my GoPro camera?

The only way to keep the SAME video quality is... not to edit it at all.
Otherwise, all the compressed video formats will have some level of generational loses, because they are all encoded lossy. Some formats are better at that, some are worse. The more compressed a video format is initially, the more artifacts you can expect to have after editing.
Some people use intermediary formats for editing, that yeld better results on maintaining quality between succesive edits (but they use huge intermediary files).

Using the SVRT does minimal changes to the video, but can be used only if the editing is limited to cutting and clipping of original video. It will change the video around the edges of the clips, because it has to "match" the two video streams control points.

PS: The title should say "lose quality". "Loose" means something else.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lose
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/loose

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3POINT [Avatar]
Member Location: Germany Joined: Oct 01, 2015 03:52 Messages: 149 Offline
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Using the SVRT does minimal changes to the video, but can be used only if the editing is limited to cutting and clipping of original video. It will change the video around the edges of the clips, because it has to "match" the two video streams control points.


Yes and this works fine with most (AVC) coded video, but not with Gopro (AVC) video, the changed video around the edges have visible other levels than the orginal footage.
PD also cannot SVRT render Gopro (HEVC) video, so whole video will be "changed".

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Recware: DJI Osmo Pocket, GoproHero7Black, PanasonicFZ300/HCX909, Sony PXW-X160.
Software: Vegaspro365+Vegasaur/PowerDirector365
Hardware: i910900k,32GB,GTX2080s, 1920x1200 display
Playware: Samsung Qled QE65Q6FN, Philips 55PFL7108
iplocker [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 17, 2021 16:20 Messages: 11 Offline
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Hello.

Thanks for replies.

Well I am only want to merge 2 video in one . Nothing more.
The SVRT is not working in GoPro videos it seems : https://prnt.sc/10pakdp

So I have try the Best Matched Format and after 45 minutes rendering 2 mins 4K video of GoPro (I have XPS 15 9500 with i7-10750H CPU @ 2.60GHz , 16GB Memory, UHD ) gave me almost the same video size as the original videos .

So I guess this is the only way to have almost the original video produced in PD .

Thanks
optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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If you wanted to share the clip here, other people can check to see if there might be a way to enable SVRT.

See this FAQ for more details on how to do that. You can also use Pack Project Materials under PD's File menu and upload your entire project if you'd like us to test your exact edits as well.

I have a sample GoPro clip that's just like yours (except it's 30p) and I have SVRT available:



SVRT produces the 43 second clip in 3 seconds, while it takes my Ryzen 9 3950X and nVidia RTX2070 just 10 seconds. Nowhere near the dozens of minutes you're seeing.

You can download the clip I used from here.

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iplocker [Avatar]
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Hello.
Well I have upload the 2 videos (a bit boring videos sorry ) from GoPro here:
1. https://1drv.ms/v/s!AjXPtQDX-dUsgs17Z22jHQ8QEpbERg?e=axjrjh
2. https://1drv.ms/u/s!AjXPtQDX-dUsgs185lyZeyAzZv09zw?e=AroPwp

Maybe DP needs an improvment on this (?!) as I see some other video out there with other softwares ex. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgo4h6_YovY that makes a lot faster rendering 4k video's .
Or maybe its my brand new XPS not so powerful ?!

Thanks
optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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Thanks for the clips. I put them end-to-end on the timeline (without trimming) and tried the Profile Analyzer. Like you, there was no SVRT profile so I used the Best Matched Format.

I can't tell from your screenshots - but are you trying to produce to H.264 (AVC) or to H.265 (HEVC)? Your clips are HEVC and will produce much faster than if you transcode to AVC.

For reference it took 2m43s to produce to 4K AVC using my nVidia GPU but only 23 seconds to produce to HEVC.

If I disable hardware encoding & decoding (only CPU producing), it took around 15.5 minutes to produce to 4K AVC but only 4:36 to produce to HEVC.

Since my CPU's rating is more than 3x higher than yours, the producing times track pretty well if you were producing to AVC. That means it should only take your system 15 min or so to produce to HEVC.

From what I've seen it seems like it's the lack of a dedicated video card that's really slowing you down.
tomasc [Avatar]
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Iplocker - I just ran a test on the UHD 630 graphics that is also in your i7-10750H cpu. That 45 min. Profile analyzer custom encoding time you posted can be reduced by 3.6x to about 12.5 min. by enabling hardware decoding in preferences and producing with fvrt Intel QS checked.

That YT video you linked on the dell laptop shows that the preview resolution was set to ⅛ for premiere pro and the 4k video in the test is avc and has a 29.97 fps frame rate which is less taxing than your two clips. Hope this helps.
iplocker [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 17, 2021 16:20 Messages: 11 Offline
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Hello.

Thanks for all these replies ! I really appreciated .

So I had already enable the hardware encoding BUT didnt had checked the Intel Quick Sync Video :

So I have enable it and now start rendering , in the meantime I am checking if GPU of my NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) GTX 1650 Ti 4GB GDDR6 is used : https://prnt.sc/10qbca9

So I see its not !


Conclusion : By checking the Quick Sync Video I have produce the video from 45 min to 5 min , and now searching how to enable GPU of the card which I hope it will reduce the rendering time by a lot !!


Thanks
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Quote ...now searching how to enable GPU of the card which I hope it will reduce the rendering time by a lot !!

That was a long-standing issue with gaming laptops that use nvidia Optimus for games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus

That Optimus software passes only the 3D core to the games, but it will not pass the NVENC block to a video editor software.
So that's why, even if you "dedicate" the nvidia GPU to PD, the software wil not see the hardware accelerated encoding block (NVENC).
I have read that one of the latest updates of Power Director managed to go around this issue, but when checked on my older laptop, with GTX950M, that didn't happen.

Workstation laptops can have a hardware multiplexer switch on board that allows the BIOS to shut of the Intel GPU completely and then the dGPU nvidia has full visibility to video editors like PD.

On that old laptop, with i7-6700HQ CPU (HD Graphics 530), combining those two clips took 6 min 30 sec, using intel QuickSync (GTX950 was not used). See usage below.

Intel QuickSync usage
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@iplocker
My "winning" solution:

https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/84770.page

With nvidia it took only 3 min 30 sec to render in H264.
Funny, it looks like the NVENC is not used anymore by PD.... is back to 3D cores encoding for h264 wih this profile.
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