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Possible to Create or Edit BluRay Disc Profiles?
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I absolutely love creating BluRays with PD, and H264 is amazing, but I can still spot notable pixelationin that I know would be cleared up by allowing the user to increase quality/decrease compression of bluray discs. For example, the default bitrate for a 60i bluray in PowerDirector is only 24mbps, when most bluray players can handle up to 40mbps. Corel VideoStudio allows this custom adjustment when you go to create BluRays, and 35mbps blurays look dazzling with no pixelation anywhere, crystal clear. Does PowerDirector have such an adjustment? If so, I can't find it.

Do I have to hack some registry entries or config files somewhere? I have no problems with doing that. Anybody?


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optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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You don't mention if you're using the Create Disc room to burn the disc straight from PD or if you're producing first and then burning the MP4/M2TS file using Windows or another app, but if you use Produce you can easily create a custom profile by clicking on the "+" to the right of the Profile name/Quality list:


Give the profile a new name and set the Average bitrate: box to 40000, then save it.

A couple of thoughts on this, though. My Canons record MTS video at 1080/60p @ 28Mbps, and there's really nowhere for the additional video information to fill that extra 12Mbps to come from. PD will try, but it can't create more detail than the source has.

With 60i video as a source, 40Mbps is more than double the actual video info, so it's not a sure thing that your results would be any clearer than with 24Mbps.

On the other hand, if your source clips do have a higher bitrate (as 2k/4k clips would), then a profile with the higher bitrate would probably help.

I'd also ask why you're wanting to use interlaced at all. Interlacing causes visible artifacts during movement, and it won't ever be as sharp as progressive unless the image is stationary. Try burning to 1080/60p (even at 28Mbps) and see how things look. If you see pixelation, try makaing a custom profile as above but with the 60p setting.

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I appreciate the answer. Yes, I'm using the disc burning function of PowerDirector, not just trying to producing a video file, which is what it appears you're suggesting above. I'm very familiar with the settings you describe above, but they have no bearing on actual bluray authoring.

My source video is 60P, not 60i/30p. And if I can get away with it, I'm actually not interested in using interlaced at all, I think interlaced video technology is a heinous crime for which someone should be held accountable (even 16mm film is crystal-clear "progressive"). My source video is 60p and I'm trying to preserve 60p on player-compatible BluRays. PowerDirector is the only software that lets me "cheat the system" by using the "60P bluray" option, which I know is just hacked AVCHD 2.0, but it works great on all modern bluray players (please don't lecture me on how it's not compliant bluray standards, I've gone toe-to-toe with those religious zealots - it truly just doesn't matter and again, it works great). There is still room for improvement, however.

At the very least, i want control over my bit rate for bluray authoring, and PD seems not have a setting for this. Most all other bluray authoring products do, so I find it odd that PD would leave that out, especially since focusing on 360 seems to be such a waste of development resources. Seriously, nobody is using 360 in the same way that nobody went out and bought 3D camcorders.

Attached is the BluRay authoring customization settings for Corel VideoStudio so you can see what I'm talking about/looking for. Note that these are specifically for bluray authoring, not just producing a file. I'l looking for this wonderfull level of control in PD, even if it takes a config or registry hack.

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optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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No zealotry here

I gave you the "easier" answer of producing first because the harder answer is that the burn settings seem to be hard-coded into PD. I agree it would be nice to have more options in the Create Disc burning room, but I don't know of an external profile-type text or XML file that might contain those settings, although maybe some forum members with more disc creating/burning experience might.

I also didn't see any registry items that would change any burning options. Almost everything in there just keeps track of things rather than specifying/defining them.

I know you can copy any file onto a BR disc and read it on another PC, but I don't know if a dedicated player can read an otherwise-compatible media file without it being specifically authored.

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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. And my troubles don't stop there:

Though PD cheats by allowing someone to create a "60P" bluray, and though the file on the authored bluray is indeed 59fps, watching playback of the bluray itself reveals that PD is quietly chopping the source 60fps footage down to 30fps for some baffling reason and then creating "60P" discs that are actually 30P discs with each frame being played twice to produce 60fps. In other words, a "60P" bluray that still plays no better or differently than plain old 30P/60i. The same interlaced blurred/dual-image look is still present and all that "60P" hype got me absolutely nowhere. 60P source, "60P" bluray option in PD, and still I wind up with a blurry 60i bluray. I mean, what the heck, CyberLink?

Bottom line is that my original 60P files look amazing and PD's "60P" blurays don't look any smoother or clearer than a standard 60i bluray. I have created both a 60p and 60i version of the same bluray and they literally have zero playback difference between them in quality, smoothness, or clarity. They are identical in every way othe than the disc files showing 59fps and the other 29fps. What you see on screen is identical nonetheless. This is a HUGE disappointment to anyone trying to preserve their camera's native 60P output on blurays without having to downshift to crappy interlaced video after dumping half of the frames your camera recorded.

I just can't win. This is why I'm wanting to kick up the quality of my blurays - if "60P" is just a hoax, then I want 60i looking as good as it can.

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optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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I get it.

Honestly, I haven't produced to Blu-Ray since 2015 and all my content is on YouTube or flash drives. No interlacing or resolution or distribution worries online, and there aren't any limitations on resolution or bitrate with Flash/SSD media.

As long as you can connect a flash drive or wifi to your big screen, I really don't see any reason to suffer with optical disc limitations.

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Quote I get it.

Honestly, I haven't produced to Blu-Ray since 2015 and all my content is on YouTube or flash drives. No interlacing or resolution or distribution worries online, and there aren't any limitations on resolution or bitrate with Flash/SSD media.

As long as you can connect a flash drive or wifi to your big screen, I really don't see any reason to suffer with optical disc limitations.


Yeah, the video quality is better for those purposes, and those are good reasons. I wish it were that easy for me. I personally generate lots of family home movies, and because my main interest is long-termn storage, BluRay is the only medium made for it while still producing an easily-playable manner that family can use without being technically savvy. If you can believe it, BluRay is the only form of long term storage media that exists. All other forms of storage are succeptible to decay and failure, so it's all there is. Sounds stupid, but I consider myself stuck with it if archiving is a main goal.

But yes, if only producing files and not playable media discs, the video quality is much better.
optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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I also use BR for archiving, but only as a storage medium rather than a playback one.

I have a bunch of 50GB discs crammed with full res 60p MTS source and M2TS produced projects that I can load and play/recover on any PC with a BR disc reader, but if you also want to be able to give them to family to watch, then your method sounds like the best approach.

I'd be willing to bet that your non-tech-savvy audience wouldn't even notice the pixelation that's practically screaming at you, but for archival purposes, I see why you'd want the highest bitrate possible. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to get PD's Create Disc function to do that.

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