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Can v17 play BluRay video off a 4.7GB DVD?
Mugsy [Avatar]
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Q: Can PDVD17 play BluRay files off a 4.7gb DVD disc?

I have an old copy of PowerDVD-11 that use to play my own homemade BD discs.

Everything works fine if my BlueRay files are burned to a 25GB BD disc, but often, my videos are small enough to fit on a standard 4.7gb DVD or 8.5gb DVD-DL, and it's a huge waste to put such a small video on a more costly 25GB disc.

Problem is, PDVD-11 refuses to play BluRay video off anything but a BluRay disk.

Was this ever fixed in later versions of PowerDVD? If so, I'll upgrade. Thx.
tomasc [Avatar]
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Quote Problem is, PDVD-11 refuses to play BluRay video off anything but a BluRay disk.

Was this ever fixed in later versions of PowerDVD? If so, I'll upgrade. Thx.


You may mean an avchd disc. Right now the link to PowerDVD17 opens the advertisement for PowerDirector 15 instead. After they fix the link you can read the comparison among at least 3 different versions to determine which one to buy.
Mugsy [Avatar]
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Quote Problem is, PDVD-11 refuses to play BluRay video off anything but a BluRay disk.

Was this ever fixed in later versions of PowerDVD? If so, I'll upgrade. Thx.


You may mean an avchd disc. Right now the link to PowerDVD17 opens the advertisement for PowerDirector 15 instead. After they fix the link you can read the comparison among at least 3 different versions to determine which one to buy.


No, I don't mean AVCHD, I mean ACTUAL "BDMV" & "CERTIFICATE" folders being burned to a disc with less than 25gb of capacity.

PDVD11 refuses to play them.
stevek
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Why not an AVCHD disc? Do you know what one is? (Sorry for this basic question).

How long is the video that you are trying to put on a disc? Where did you get it? .
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Mugsy [Avatar]
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Quote Why not an AVCHD disc? Do you know what one is? (Sorry for this basic question).

How long is the video that you are trying to put on a disc? Where did you get it?


Why not AVCHD?

1) My DVD creation software (TMPGEnc Authoring Works 4) does not support AVCHD format.

2) I want my discs to play on a standard BD player, not just my PC. My Sony BD player can play BD files off the lower capacity discs, PDVD11 can not. My BD player does not support AVCHD discs. Most do not.

The video I'm burning is only 3.8GB, recorded on an HD video camera in mkv format.

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stevek
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That software is strange. You can imput AVCHD but can't output it.

PowerDVD should be able to play the video files that you have but not as a disc (with menu, navigation, etc.) Yout BR player is probably doing the same.

I have no other suggestions. .
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Mugsy [Avatar]
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Quote That software is strange. You can imput AVCHD but can't output it.

PowerDVD should be able to play the video files that you have but not as a disc (with menu, navigation, etc.) Yout BR player is probably doing the same.

I have no other suggestions.


The Matroska (mkv) format by itself is not AVCHD. And Authoring Works 4 doesn't recognize the format. I must convert the video to avi or mp4 first before I can use it.

If I put the raw ".TS/m2ts" file on a DVD, my BD player can play it, but not necessisarilly everyone I share it with.

But this could all be easily resolved if Cyberlink would simply support the playing of BD files burned to lower capacity discs. There is no reasonable justifyable excuse why it shouldn't.

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stevek
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So far you are the only one that asked ! undecided

How much $$ should Cyberlink put into development of this feature for a seemingly small amount of users.

Are you just typing to save $$ on a DVD vs CD cost? .
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Mugsy [Avatar]
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Quote So far you are the only one that asked ! undecided

How much $$ should Cyberlink put into development of this feature for a seemingly small amount of users.

Are you just typing to save $$ on a DVD vs CD cost?


"Development of a feature"???

All they need to do is REMOVE A RESTRICTION. STOP CHECKING DISC CAPACITY BEFORE PLAYING! It doesn't require "investment" or the addition of a "feature" to disable a disc capacity check before allowing files to play!

If you believe this is a complicated request, you don't understand the problem.
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Quote The Matroska (mkv) format by itself is not AVCHD. And Authoring Works 4 doesn't recognize the format. I must convert the video to avi or mp4 first before I can use it.

If I put the raw ".TS/m2ts" file on a DVD, my BD player can play it, but not necessisarilly everyone I share it with.


I just burned 2 m2ts files to a dvd as a data disc. PDVD10 can play them as video by navigating to each of them. PDVD12 plays them automatically and the next/prev buttons works properly.
stevek
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I agree that PowerDVD, other players and some BR units will play data discs containing video files. If that did not across, I'll try to do better in the future.

Mugsy wants to make high definition VIDEO discs that play with Powerf DVD that are not AVCHD discs. He wants to make BR folders with his program and put them on a standard DVD and have them play as a video discs These would not be BR but also not AVCHD discs.. .
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Mugsy probably don't know which udf is being used. I wouldn't worry about it stevek.
Mugsy [Avatar]
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Quote Mugsy probably don't know which udf is being used. I wouldn't worry about it stevek.


The UDF is irrelevant. Changing the disc to ISO9660 doesn't suddenly allow PDVD11 to play BluRay files from lower capacity discs.
Mugsy [Avatar]
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Quote The Matroska (mkv) format by itself is not AVCHD. And Authoring Works 4 doesn't recognize the format. I must convert the video to avi or mp4 first before I can use it.

If I put the raw ".TS/m2ts" file on a DVD, my BD player can play it, but not necessisarilly everyone I share it with.


I just burned 2 m2ts files to a dvd as a data disc. PDVD10 can play them as video by navigating to each of them. PDVD12 plays them automatically and the next/prev buttons works properly.


Indeed, but not my father's BD player.
stevek
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Should have bought him a new one for Father's Day ! wink .
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Mugsy [Avatar]
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Quote Should have bought him a new one for Father's Day ! wink


I'm afraid buying every person I wish to share discs with a new BD player is not in my budget (a budget that already has me not wanting to waste an entire BD disc when a cheap DVD-R will do.)
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Quote So far you are the only one that asked ! undecided

How much $$ should Cyberlink put into development of this feature for a seemingly small amount of users.

Are you just typing to save $$ on a DVD vs CD cost?


"Development of a feature"???

All they need to do is REMOVE A RESTRICTION. STOP CHECKING DISC CAPACITY BEFORE PLAYING! It doesn't require "investment" or the addition of a "feature" to disable a disc capacity check before allowing files to play!

If you believe this is a complicated request, you don't understand the problem.


Perhaps this request is not "complicated", but it would be against DVD or BD video disc spec whatever.
I don't think a commercial software company will remove restrictions to implement the idea.
Open source free player could be very flexible to do everything, but commcercial player is not on the same page.

Why there are universal specs for video discs (BD DVD AVCHD...) to let every hardware/software companies follow?

You can consider it's a capitalism action made by those greedy enterprises trying to grab more money.
But the spec can help the produced video discs can play by all other players in case "complicated" compatibility problems.
And the video players can follow the industrial standard to design playback features accordingly.


Honestly, if your need is to burn full hd video on cheaper DVD disc, just use the universal AVCHD format to produce them.
Mugsy [Avatar]
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Perhaps this request is not "complicated", but it would be against DVD or BD video disc spec whatever.
I don't think a commercial software company will remove restrictions to implement the idea.
Open source free player could be very flexible to do everything, but commcercial player is not on the same page.

Why there are universal specs for video discs (BD DVD AVCHD...) to let every hardware/software companies follow?

You can consider it's a capitalism action made by those greedy enterprises trying to grab more money.
But the spec can help the produced video discs can play by all other players in case "complicated" compatibility problems.
And the video players can follow the industrial standard to design playback features accordingly.

Honestly, if your need is to burn full hd video on cheaper DVD disc, just use the universal AVCHD format to produce them.


My Samsung & Sony BD players have no problem at all reading BD files recorded to a DVD-R. but they do not support the AVCHD format. One of my players (I forget which) does not support the playing of loose video files (only jpg's.) It would just be nice if I could test the discs I just recorded on my PC rather than run into the next room and test them on the TV.

I see no reason why PDVD should be any less capable than a standalone BD Player.

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mike.T [Avatar]
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This sounds like a BD9 format to me. If you take a look of wikipedia. It was removed later.

But I think you might download PowerDVD 17 Trial and give it a try, or you can purchase an copy to try and report this to CyberLink customer support with your disc provided.

There're some complicated combinations like file systems, formats, policies (EX: A certified Blu-ray player can't play a BDROM Disc if it is not protected by AACS, it is of course technically feasible, but not allowed). So it is hard to tell if the disc you just made is a compliant format or not.



Quoted Below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#BD9_and_BD5

BD9 and BD5[edit]The BD9 format was proposed to the Blu-ray Disc Association by Warner Home Video as a cost-effective alternative to the 25/50 GB BD-ROM discs. The format was supposed to use the same codecs and program structure as Blu-ray Disc video but recorded onto less expensive 8.5 GB dual-layer DVD. This red-laser media could be manufactured on existing DVD production lines with lower costs of production than the 25/50 GB Blu-ray media.[109]Usage of BD9 for releasing content on "pressed" discs never caught on. With the end of the format war, manufacturers ramped production of Blu-ray Discs and lowered prices to compete with DVDs. On the other hand, the idea of using inexpensive DVD media became popular among individual users. A lower-capacity version of this format that uses single-layer 4.7 GB DVDs has been unofficially called BD5. Both formats are being used by individuals for recording high definition content in Blu-ray format onto recordable DVD media.[110][111] Despite the fact that the BD9 format has been adopted as part of the BD-ROM basic format, none of the existing Blu-ray player models explicitly claim to be able to read it. Consequently, the discs recorded in BD9 and BD5 formats are not guaranteed to play on standard Blu-ray Disc players. AVCHD and AVCREC also use inexpensive media like DVDs, but unlike BD9 and BD5 these formats have limited interactivity, codec types, and data rates. As of March 2011, BD9 was removed as an official BD-ROM disc
Mugsy [Avatar]
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Quote This sounds like a BD9 format to me. If you take a look of wikipedia. It was removed later.


Thanks for the information.

Since PDVD is computer software not a standalone device, it really doesn't make sense to cripple it to prevent it from playing any format that same PC is capable of producing.

If this was "firmware" for a dedicated HTPC, I could understand. But intentionally crippling ones own software makes no sense.

Thx.
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