Hi,

Interesting issue and well documented on the video.

Can you submit this as an issue to Technical Support so that they can look at your packed project. They can then organise an ftp link for upload etc. and look at the issue in detail.

Cheers

PowerDirector Moderator

Quote Hi,

Interesting issue and well documented on the video.

Can you submit this as an issue to Technical Support so that they can look at your packed project. They can then organise an ftp link for upload etc. and look at the issue in detail.

I will try. (I hope it's easy.)

Thanks for being a diligent Moderator.

FWIW, PD 15 is still doing the same strange SVRT skipping and insertions in v2820 beta.

Quote FWIW, PD 15 is still doing the same strange SVRT skipping and insertions in v2820 beta.

Did you ever pack your project and provide to CL for potential resolution? What was the response?

If not, maybe pack your project and provide via a free service like Google Drive (25GB free) or the like and post the shared link in this thread. If other users can replicate the issue with your PD pds project maybe CL will have a look to correct.

The posting of your raw files would also give one a chance to look at the specific video details of your captured format. I suspect something more with the raw files as you indicated SVRT produced file was 1.8GB while CPU encoded was 3GB. That's a pretty big bitrate change for MPEG. I suspect your source files are highly variable bitrate which maybe causing PD SVRT some issues, like a false positive SVRT applicability.

Jeff

Tech Support said that they weren't interested, since it's a beta.

This problem comes and goes. If I record a 1.5 hour movie off the air on my USB TV Stick (VBR), SVRT usually works fantastic.

If I record more than, say, 2 hours, then PD splits the long movie file in to two "clips" on import. And that's when SVRT has problems.

Even if SVRT has trouble with VBR, that doesn't explain why parts of old movies I've edited show up in SVRT produced files.

I'm thinking that there's an index or lookup table that SVRT uses that's not being cleared/reset.

But I don't see a way to clear cache or clipboard in PD.

P.S. Or maybe it's workflow related? I try to cut commercials from the end to the front. It might be that when I get out of sequence, this problem happens.

Quote: If I record more than, say, 2 hours, then PD splits the long movie file in to two "clips" on import. And that's when SVRT has problems.

Something a little funny with that behavior, my PD does not split any input files. Something unique about workflow and/or recording format specifics and/or FAT format USB stick. Packed project may shed some light.

Quote: Even if SVRT has trouble with VBR, that doesn't explain why parts of old movies I've edited show up in SVRT produced files.

I've not seen that issue with SVRT, one reason I was asking for packed project to see if repeatable. If it is, maybe the forum can provide a little traction for gaining visibility for CL since apparently Tech Support was not interested.

Quote: I'm thinking that there's an index or lookup table that SVRT uses that's not being cleared/reset.

But I don't see a way to clear cache or clipboard in PD.

P.S. Or maybe it's workflow related? I try to cut commercials from the end to the front. It might be that when I get out of sequence, this problem happens.

I'd be almost 100% certain no index or lookup table exists that's saved with SVRT that contains any time pertinent placeholders.

Jeff

Good points all, and I might post the recorded file somewhere for others to try.

But I don't expect them to get the exact same results as I get, since I get clips of previous movies that I've edited on my system. Don't see how others will have the same cross contamination.

Quote Good points all, and I might post the recorded file somewhere for others to try.

But I don't expect them to get the exact same results as I get, since I get clips of previous movies that I've edited on my system. Don't see how others will have the same cross contamination.

Have you thought about clearing the caches. There is the cache in Windows and the cache in PowerDirector. In PowerDirector, Preferences > General. Click the manually Delete Button.

In Windows if you check the properties of C then Click the Disk Cleanup Button.

Check Properties is Right Click on C drive > Properties in Windows Explorer.

. Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

Quote This problem comes and goes. If I record a 1.5 hour movie off the air on my USB TV Stick (VBR), SVRT usually works fantastic.

If I record more than, say, 2 hours, then PD splits the long movie file in to two "clips" on import. And that's when SVRT has problems.

I use a network attached TV Tuner and PD15 has all kinds of issues with my HDTV recordings. Cyberlink support told me they were copy protected which in fact I know they are not. Other software converts the files. Most of my files have multiple audio streams and multiple closed caption streams. Just don't think PD15 handles them well.

It's odd that PD15 would split a file that it has captured unless it is trying to 'detect scenes'. If it was doing that, there should be more than just two.

Okay, this is getting curiouser and curiouser.

I took Carl's advice and cleaned Windows "cache" files. And I deleted PD's profile.ini.

Then I loaded one of my Noir video files.PD15 split the file.I worked on the last half.

I noticed while scrubbing that I was getting artifacts of commercials that appear earlier in the video.

But if I play the movie inside PD, no artifacts.Jump to the 4 minute mark in my boring video about this.

https://vid.me/TAvt

I am looking into finding a way to upload a 3 GB file somewhere. (Perhaps free Google Drive as Jeff suggested.)

It took a few days for this to upload to Google Drive (perhaps a Cox problem?) but here's my original file, if anyone wants to try it to see how their installation of PD 15 handles it.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1MHm9u1ovFBRUx4dGlQeVFqaW8

The first "problem" is that PD divides the file up into two "scenes."

The second problem is that when I scrub thru it, I get artifacts from earlier in the video. (per my video in my previous message.)

The third problem is that SVRT gives me strange results when I cut out the commercials. (Although I didn't re-verify that yet.)

Quote The first "problem" is that PD divides the file up into two "scenes."

I'm away from PD computer access for about a week but from the looks of your file you have captured two Closed Caption streams, CC1 and CC3, usually English and French, the split is usually duplicate thumbnails to handle this, not really scenes.

CLD described the behavior with multiple audio streams in some formats here which is similar http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/50125.page#post_box_263751

Secondly, the bitrate is very variable in this file, I get a low of about 2420kb/s and a high of 6525kb/sec. My experience with PD is SVRT generally does not work properly in such cases, a false positive determination for it's applicability. Not implying it shouldn't work, just my experience it often does not.

If you converted the file with like Handbrake (yes it adds another step) or maybe changed capture settings if possible to something more in line with PD SVRT needs, both could potentially eliminate the SVRT issue.

Jeff

Thanks Jeff!

If I'm capturing closed caption, I don't know it. I have it turned off in the TotalMedia settings. (Does Phoenix OTA xmit French? Ch 45-2.)

And if I was getting the two "scene" breakouts in PD due to CC, then I wonder why I don't get two "scenes" with every recorded movie? That is, most of my recorded movies using this setup show up as just one scene. It seems to be only when I get larger than a certain file size that I get more than one.

Also, to make the last Noir, I had to use both scenes. That is, there is a definite break between scenes. (A Part I and Part II, if you will.)

I can try going to EP settings on Recording to see if that helps the variable VBR. Will have to see what that does to the quality - although these are just fun movies to watch at home. (Although 52" screen.)

Your findings have all been duplicated here although I did not produce anything. Jeff already stated that he will be gone for a week. Wait for his findings and solutions. You did comment in another post I was involved in that you are aware of the windows media center use. Recordings I do are all svrt compliant. If you are not using windows 10 then you may want to try it. I believe wmc recordings can be 704 x 480/60i if you want.

You never stated in your post when you purchased the usb tuner stick. If it is recent then it may not include the drivers for being able to use the wmc. Your recordings are 544 x 480/60i using the arcsoft tuner software in which I have no experience. My oem tuner software records video that are also svrt compliant without using the wmc.

Quote Your findings have all been duplicated here although I did not produce anything. Jeff already stated that he will be gone for a week. Wait for his findings and solutions. You did comment in another post I was involved in that you are aware of the windows media center use. Recordings I do are all svrt compliant. If you are not using windows 10 then you may want to try it. I believe wmc recordings can be 704 x 480/60i if you want.

You never stated in your post when you purchased the usb tuner stick. If it is recent then it may not include the drivers for being able to use the wmc. Your recordings are 544 x 480/60i using the arcsoft tuner software in which I have no experience. My oem tuner software records video that are also svrt compliant without using the wmc.

Thanks for trying it! Glad to know it's not just me who's getting the scene split.

I'm hesitant to try Win10 (for a variety of reasons). But I thought MS stopped supporting WMC in the middle of Win7?

I have a Diamond USB stick. It worked with WMC in Win7, but I preferred ArcSoft's Interface. (In part because it supports the Remote.)

I'll check to see if Diamond offers drivers for it for Win10. (Although IIRC, it uses the standard chipset that most everyone uses for TV Tuners. And so Win10 might support it natively.)

I don't mind converting my video before PD - ffmpeg is pretty quick w/ hardware acceleration. What should I transcode my highly variable VBR to? A simple copy in ffmpeg to clean things up? Or an actual conversion?

I just recorded an OTA movie that was a little over 2 hours long. PD cut the first "scene" at 2:05. I used only the first scene, cut the commercials, and SVRT worked fine.

So I think, for now, as a work around, I will set my recorder for two hour increments max.

I did some reasearch and found an unofficial build of WMC for Win10.

Okay, for anyone interested, I uploaded a smaller mpg file that causes problems for SVRT on my system.

It's an old noir movie "I wake up screaming."

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1MHm9u1ovFBcS1adE00Yi0xT1E/view?usp=sharing

It's a 2.6 GB file.

When I import it into PD 15, it opens in two "scenes." (BTW, I'm using the 2820 beta.)

You need both scenes for the whole movie.

I cut out the commercials, starting from the end moving to the front.

Here's the pds file that should do it all for you.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1MHm9u1ovFBdy1vWE1TcWdIMlE/view?usp=sharing

I let SVRT determine the profile and produce to mpg. (I might have had to ensure that "Dolby Digital" was selected under the Audio Profile tab.)

My end result is a 1.7 GB file that isn't the complete movie and that has some commericals in it. In fact, the titles for the movie start rolling thru at the 2/3 point in the trimmed movie!

When I produce to mp4, the file is 2.9 GB. (It's a 1:23 long movie.)

I would be curious to know if others get this same behavior with SVRT.

(As an aside, PD is getting so fast, that it only takes 13 minutes to produce to mp4. (Compared to a minute or two with SVRT.) So it's not a hardship producing to mp4. Still, since I'm th obsessive type, I like to see things work right.)

Your problems has nothing to do with the PD15 Beta. It does that with PD period. Your statements aren’t exactly right. I use a MCE remote control and is able to program the wmc right off the TV screen with my HTPC. See this example : https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1HE0S20594&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Home+Gadgets-_-9SIA1HE0S20594&gclid=CjwKEAjwxurIBRDnt7P7rODiq0USJADwjt5Dw1qDfiqjJQDO6TbC1JoEFCFTy1cxpQP56GA48kFrihoCQ1fw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds . Just finished a recording yesterday.

We have only limited information that you posted. The arcsoft TV tuner software was written in 2010 and hasn’t been updated. You could try recording with PD15. In the capture mode, it is the 4th icon from the left for a digital tv tuner. Recordings made here are also svrt compliant.

Did not have the time to try out the last file you uploaded. I am at work now. I believe that if you want to stay with the arcsoft tv tuner software then Jeff may be able to give you a solution when he gets back in a few days.

Quote The arcsoft TV tuner software was written in 2010 and hasn’t been updated. You could try recording with PD15. In the capture mode, it is the 4th icon from the left for a digital tv tuner. Recordings made here are also svrt compliant.

I had tried recording directly. Unfortunately for me, PD doesn't recognize the Diamond USB stick in the Capture Mode. (Again, that could be because I have a trimmed down version of Win7. And /or because I don't have WMC installed anymore. Maybe there's a bridge in WMC that PC hooks in to. (I will make a backup image after typing this and reinstall WMC to see if it makes a difference.)

The link you sent me links to a Remote Control. Please, what tuner are you using? That might be a Plan B for me.