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Intel Kaby Lake and onboard Intel Graphics
AlS
Senior Member Location: South Africa Joined: Sep 23, 2014 18:07 Messages: 290 Offline
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I'm busy upgrading my desktop to the new Kaby Lake i7-7700K plus an Asus Z270-A m/board. It's Intel's fastest i7 so far and overclocks easily to around 5ghz. That may be "the wall" for silicon CPU speeds for the forseeable future for reasons I'll explain later.

Cyberlink worked with Intel in the early days and, according to my contact at Intel, Intel wrote all of the code for Power Dirctor to make use of the early versons of Intel HD Graphics and Quicksync. Many pro NLEs like Adobe, Davinci Resolve, GV Edius 8, etc have also added Intel Graphics support and the latest Edius 8 claims a 5X increase in render speed using Quicksync vs CPU render - much faster than I see with PDR.

The new i7 Kaby Lake comes with Intel 630 graphics which is an upgrade from the 530 Skylake graphics and has some powerful features for editing software as you can see here:

The Kaby Lake-U/Y GPU - Media Capabilities

"Full hardware acceleration for encode and decode of 4K HEVC (H.265) Main10 profile videos." Unfortunately most software has a long way to go to make full use of the 630 graphics - with one exception - Magix, who now owns the well known Sony Vegas edit software, and worked with Intel to develop the latest verson of their edit software and claim 4k 360 editing using Kaby Lake.

How Magix Made 4K 360 Video Editing Swift and Easy

Let's hope PDR does the same.

Now back to "the wall". I'm sure many users share my disappointment in Intel's upgrade path over the past few years. Moore's Law has died and "Tick/Tock" is no more, making it increasingly difficult to decide if and when to upgrade your PC. The press often blames Intel for the lack of progress due to lack of competition - but we may be reaching the limits of silicon technology. We once saw 50% performance improvements annually. Now we see 5-6% due more to refinements than technology breakthroughs. There are actually three walls limiting technology We will see smaller more efficient cpus as Intel moves from 14nm to 10nm to 7nm over the next few years but not much faster.

The future of computers - Part 1: Multicore and the Memory Wall

The myths of Moore’s law

So after posponing an upgrade for three years I'm looking at the following:


  • i7 7700K water cooled

  • Asus Prime Z270-A m/board (great for o/clock)

  • 32 Gb DDR4 3200

  • SSD Samsung 960 M.2 512GB (3,500mb/sec read)

  • 2x 2TB WD Blue 7200rpm

  • A second 24"HD monitor -can't justify UHD cost for 24"screen


Comments welcome

Al

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Power Director 13&14 Ultimate, Photo Director 6, Audio Dir, Pwr2Go 10
Win 10 64, Intel MB DH87MC, Intel i5-4670 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16Gb DDR3 1600, 128Gb SSD, 2x1Tb WDBlue 7200rpmSATA6, Intel 4600 GPU, Gigabyte G1 GTX960 4GB, LG BluRay Writer
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I'm waitimg for AMD's Ryzen. I wrote to Magix about this last year. I don't like the idea of a software product requiring a certain brand (and type) of (expensive) processor. Especially since I recently bought a GTX 960. The 960 does video decoding and encoding just fine and I won't have to deal with conflicts caused by having two graphics units if I upgrade to Ryzen. Or if I upgrade to a 1060.
AlS
Senior Member Location: South Africa Joined: Sep 23, 2014 18:07 Messages: 290 Offline
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pmikep - Thanks. The Ryzen might give Intel some competition for a change - but I'm an Intel fan. My past AMD experiences were not good. I, too have a GTX 960 4GB but also use quick sync so will switch between GPUs. According to Asus, 80% of these cpus overclock to a stable 5ghz.

Al

UPDATE - Intel is already upgrading the new Kaby Lake i7-7700 in response to Ryzen. Due in March so I'll wait. Also adding hyperthreading to the Kabylake i5 making as fast as the Skylake i7. Talk of Intel lowering prices as well. Competition benefits evrtyone.

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Power Director 13&14 Ultimate, Photo Director 6, Audio Dir, Pwr2Go 10
Win 10 64, Intel MB DH87MC, Intel i5-4670 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16Gb DDR3 1600, 128Gb SSD, 2x1Tb WDBlue 7200rpmSATA6, Intel 4600 GPU, Gigabyte G1 GTX960 4GB, LG BluRay Writer
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Quote I, too have a GTX 960 4GB but also use quick sync so will switch between GPUs.


If I have it right from reading this forum, the only way to switch between GPU's for PD is in the 'BIOS'?

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AlS
Senior Member Location: South Africa Joined: Sep 23, 2014 18:07 Messages: 290 Offline
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Quote I, too have a GTX 960 4GB but also use quick sync so will switch between GPUs.


If I have it right from reading this forum, the only way to switch between GPU's for PD is in the 'BIOS'?


At the moment I use Device manager. Once I get my new PC with two monitors I'll run some tests but both can be used with PDR. Power Director 13&14 Ultimate, Photo Director 6, Audio Dir, Pwr2Go 10
Win 10 64, Intel MB DH87MC, Intel i5-4670 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16Gb DDR3 1600, 128Gb SSD, 2x1Tb WDBlue 7200rpmSATA6, Intel 4600 GPU, Gigabyte G1 GTX960 4GB, LG BluRay Writer
cincydroneboy [Avatar]
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Quote I, too have a GTX 960 4GB but also use quick sync so will switch between GPUs.


If I have it right from reading this forum, the only way to switch between GPU's for PD is in the 'BIOS'?


At the moment I use Device manager. Once I get my new PC with two monitors I'll run some tests but both can be used with PDR.








was woundering if you could tell me if im able to use PD15 with my current laptop

Aspire E15

intel core i5-6200u 2.3GHz with turbo boost up to 2.8GHZ

Intel HD graphics 520, up to 2112 MB dynamic video memory

12GB DDR4

1000GB HDD



do you see this being able to run PD15? thanks for any info
PepsiMan
Senior Contributor Location: Clarksville, TN Joined: Dec 29, 2010 01:20 Messages: 1054 Offline
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Quote ...

was woundering if you could tell me if im able to use PD15 with my current laptop

Aspire E15

intel core i5-6200u 2.3GHz with turbo boost up to 2.8GHZ

Intel HD graphics 520, up to 2112 MB dynamic video memory

12GB DDR4

1000GB HDD

do you see this being able to run PD15? thanks for any info



well, you can edit SD(640x480 or 720x480) and maybe HD(1280x720) resolution...

avoid at all cost U or M suffix intel cpus for video editing.

go to -> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/

my recommendation is cpu ≥ 8000 & gpu ≥ 5000 & 16GB/RAM...

your cpu is rated 3941.

even though it's rated for playing games but it gives good idea where you're going to

be on the frustration graph...

for practice look-up my cpus & gpus rating. for me it takes render with fx-8370e(7756) & gtx950 2GB

10minutes 4K@176Mb/sec videos takes one hour with PD14.

my laptop and desktop is about same.

my six years old dell xps is faster than your acer.

by the way, look-up AIS i7-7700K...



Quote I'm busy upgrading my desktop to the new Kaby Lake
i7-7700K plus an Asus Z270-A m/board. It's Intel's fastest i7 so far and
overclocks easily to around 5ghz...Al


GIGOTS!

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'

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'no bridge too far'

Yashica Electro 8 LD-6 Super 8mm
Asrock TaiChi X470, AMD R7 2700X, W7P 64, MSI GTX1060 6GB, Corsair 16GB/RAM
Dell XPS L702X i7-2860QM, W7P / W10P 64, Intel HD3000/nVidia GT 550M 1GB, Micron 16GB/RAM
Samsung Galaxy Note3/NX1
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was woundering if you could tell me if im able to use PD15 with my current laptop

Aspire E15

intel core i5-6200u 2.3GHz with turbo boost up to 2.8GHZ

Intel HD graphics 520, up to 2112 MB dynamic video memory

12GB DDR4

1000GB HDD

do you see this being able to run PD15? thanks for any info



well, you can edit SD(640x480 or 720x480) and maybe HD(1280x720) resolution...

avoid at all cost U or M suffix intel cpus for video editing.

go to -> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/



my recommendation is cpu ≥ 8000 & gpu ≥ 5000 & 16GB/RAM...

your cpu is rated 3941.

even though it's rated for playing games but it gives good idea where you're going to

be on the frustration graph...

for practice look-up my cpus & gpus rating. for me it takes render with fx-8370e(7756) & gtx950 2GB

10minutes 4K@176Mb/sec videos takes one hour with PD14.

my laptop and desktop is about same.

my six years old dell xps is faster than your acer.

by the way, look-up AIS i7-7700K...



Quote I'm busy upgrading my desktop to the new Kaby Lake
i7-7700K plus an Asus Z270-A m/board. It's Intel's fastest i7 so far and
overclocks easily to around 5ghz...Al


GIGOTS!

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'






thanks for the help i thought it might be my laptop, im looking at a HP i7700HQ quadcore with GTX1050 comes with 8gb ram but can add more, this should atleast get me moving shouldnt it? thanks again
PepsiMan
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thanks for the help i thought it might be my laptop, im looking at a HP i7700HQ quadcore with GTX1050 comes with 8gb ram but can add more, this should atleast get me moving shouldnt it? thanks again


no problems, if you run into this ->

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/51129.page

don't blame your killer.

here's dell with similar hp specs. gtx 1050ti is little bit faster than gtx1050.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-INSPIRON-7567-GAMING-LAPTOP-i7-7700HQ-8GB-DDR4-1TB-SSHD-GEFORCE-GTX-1050Ti-/332082868607?hash=item4d51ae717f:g:BjAAAOSwUgNXPJYt

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-INSPIRON-7567-GAMING-LAPTOP-i7-7700HQ-16GB-DUAL-HDD-128-SSD-1TB-GTX-1050Ti-/232202496349?hash=item361058e95d:g:n8EAAOSwImRYmsEg



happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'

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'no bridge too far'

Yashica Electro 8 LD-6 Super 8mm
Asrock TaiChi X470, AMD R7 2700X, W7P 64, MSI GTX1060 6GB, Corsair 16GB/RAM
Dell XPS L702X i7-2860QM, W7P / W10P 64, Intel HD3000/nVidia GT 550M 1GB, Micron 16GB/RAM
Samsung Galaxy Note3/NX1
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thanks for the links, i really want to stay away from SSD i need dvd/cd drive to load programs and to burn disks, maybe i need to look at desktops? its a real bumber that powerderector needs so much to even function.. i have used others in the past with no probems,
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Quote thanks for the links, i really want to stay away from SSD i need dvd/cd drive to load programs and to burn disks, maybe i need to look at desktops? its a real bumber that powerderector needs so much to even function.. i have used others in the past with no probems,
Depending on your budget, there are some 17" gaming laptops with NVMe SSD, slot for hard drive AND DVD burner. Check out Asus, MSI, Alienware or Razer Blade. $1099US and up. I saw one for $8000! Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
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