Quote The Settings are set to 50FPS
The video is recorded at 50 FPS
The "Time" box under the monitor screen shows seconds broken down into 50ths of a second.
ie it goes from 00 to 49 and then starts at 00 again for the next second.

When I click the "Next Frame" button/arrow to advance the video by one frame the "Time" box shows movement of 1/50th of a second but nothing happens on the screen. Only when I click the button again a second time does it show any movement on the screen ie it is only moving every 1/25th of a second.

If all the settings and recording is at 1/50th of a second then why does the screen/"Next Frame" button advance the video only 1/25th of a second?
Surely it should advance the screen every time the "Next Frame" button is activated. Likewise for the "Previous Frame" button but in reverse.

Attach a small video clip (8-10 sec) from camera with same record settings for real interrogation. More than likely a interlace and progressive format confusion.

Jeff

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Quote The Settings are set to 50FPS
The video is recorded at 50 FPS
The "Time" box under the monitor screen shows seconds broken down into 50ths of a second.
ie it goes from 00 to 49 and then starts at 00 again for the next second.

When I click the "Next Frame" button/arrow to advance the video by one frame the "Time" box shows movement of 1/50th of a second but nothing happens on the screen. Only when I click the button again a second time does it show any movement on the screen ie it is only moving every 1/25th of a second.

If all the settings and recording is at 1/50th of a second then why does the screen/"Next Frame" button advance the video only 1/25th of a second?
Surely it should advance the screen every time the "Next Frame" button is activated. Likewise for the "Previous Frame" button but in reverse.

Attach a small video clip (8-10 sec) from camera with same record settings for real interrogation. More than likely a interlace and progressive format confusion.

Jeff

Here is a 5 sec video said to be H.264AVC MP4 1920x1080 from Canon 80D. Phil
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Quote The Settings are set to 50FPS
The video is recorded at 50 FPS
The "Time" box under the monitor screen shows seconds broken down into 50ths of a second.
ie it goes from 00 to 49 and then starts at 00 again for the next second.

When I click the "Next Frame" button/arrow to advance the video by one frame the "Time" box shows movement of 1/50th of a second but nothing happens on the screen. Only when I click the button again a second time does it show any movement on the screen ie it is only moving every 1/25th of a second.

If all the settings and recording is at 1/50th of a second then why does the screen/"Next Frame" button advance the video only 1/25th of a second?
Surely it should advance the screen every time the "Next Frame" button is activated. Likewise for the "Previous Frame" button but in reverse.

Attach a small video clip (8-10 sec) from camera with same record settings for real interrogation. More than likely a interlace and progressive format confusion.

Jeff

Here is a 5 sec video said to be H.264AVC MP4 1920x1080 from Canon 80D.

Sorry 7Phil77, I don't see the issue you note. The clip is 50fps progressive so each frame is unique in the timeline as it should be. I've attached three clips of timeline playback in PD14 with screen captures at frames 20, 21 and 22. Watch the boy in front in the green shirt, his right arm, one clearly sees three unique positions of the arm for the 3 frames.

My next guess since your attached clip is progressive is you have "Enable HD video processing (shadow file)" checked in pref > General which would create the effect you note as you are no longer displaying the real 50fps source, but rather a 25fps shadow file representation in the timeline playback. Do you have the green media clip in the lower left corner of you clips in the media library?

Jeff

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Quote The Settings are set to 50FPS
The video is recorded at 50 FPS
The "Time" box under the monitor screen shows seconds broken down into 50ths of a second.
ie it goes from 00 to 49 and then starts at 00 again for the next second.

When I click the "Next Frame" button/arrow to advance the video by one frame the "Time" box shows movement of 1/50th of a second but nothing happens on the screen. Only when I click the button again a second time does it show any movement on the screen ie it is only moving every 1/25th of a second.

If all the settings and recording is at 1/50th of a second then why does the screen/"Next Frame" button advance the video only 1/25th of a second?
Surely it should advance the screen every time the "Next Frame" button is activated. Likewise for the "Previous Frame" button but in reverse.

Attach a small video clip (8-10 sec) from camera with same record settings for real interrogation. More than likely a interlace and progressive format confusion.

Jeff

Here is a 5 sec video said to be H.264AVC MP4 1920x1080 from Canon 80D.

Sorry 7Phil77, I don't see the issue you note. The clip is 50fps progressive so each frame is unique in the timeline as it should be. I've attached three clips of timeline playback in PD14 with screen captures at frames 20, 21 and 22. Watch the boy in front in the green shirt, his right arm, one clearly sees three unique positions of the arm for the 3 frames.

My next guess since your attached clip is progressive is you have "Enable HD video processing (shadow file)" checked in pref > General which would create the effect you note as you are no longer displaying the real 50fps source, but rather a 25fps shadow file representation in the timeline playback. Do you have the green media clip in the lower left corner of you clips in the media library?

Jeff

I'm sorry to hear that you don't understand what I am saying.

The preview screen in PD14 is only moving every second clicking on the "Next frame" arrow/button when surely it should move every time the "Next frame" button is activated? Otherwise it is wrongly labelled as the "Next frame" button. As the screen is only moving every second click of the "Next frame" button then it is being seen as a 25fps video clip. Phil
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I'm sorry to hear that you don't understand what I am saying.

If you can't read the full response, and answer a few questions, it's difficult to help.
1) I clearly showed the frames are unique with pictorial proof of 3 consecutive frames.
2) I clearly stated if you are using shadow files you can observe the repeated frame that you noted.

Yes, I do understand what you state, and have given yet another scenario that one can observe that. Shadow files are created at 25fps, since you have timeline set at 50fps, PD simply duplicates each frame during next frame viewing which is the issue you noted. However, it's not a issue, other than what the user has defined his editing timeline behaviour to be.

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I'm sorry to hear that you don't understand what I am saying.

If you can't read the full response, and answer a few questions, it's difficult to help.
1) I clearly showed the frames are unique with pictorial proof of 3 consecutive frames.
2) I clearly stated if you are using shadow files you can observe the repeated frame that you noted.

Yes, I do understand what you state, and have given yet another scenario that one can observe that. Shadow files are created at 25fps, since you have timeline set at 50fps, PD simply duplicates each frame during next frame viewing which is the issue you noted. However, it's not a issue, other than what the user has defined his editing timeline behaviour to be.

Jeff

Jeff, I now see that Shadow files are activated but not by me as I have never changed that setting so the box must always have been checked. Phil
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Jeff, I now see that Shadow files are activated but not by me as I have never changed that setting so the box must always have been checked.

Usually when you load your first HD video into the timeline PD will offer a dialogue option box for acknowledgement if you want to enable shadow files. If users answers yes, the check mark gets activated in pref and the question is not asked again and setting remains for all future projects. You can always manually adjust as desired in pref.

If you turn off shadow files, set timeline to 50fps PAL, drop your 50fps progressive clip in the timeline, you will see each frame as you use the frame advance feature.

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Jeff, I now see that Shadow files are activated but not by me as I have never changed that setting so the box must always have been checked.

Usually when you load your first HD video into the timeline PD will offer a dialogue option box for acknowledgement if you want to enable shadow files. If users answers yes, the check mark gets activated in pref and the question is not asked again and setting remains for all future projects. You can always manually adjust as desired in pref.

If you turn off shadow files, set timeline to 50fps PAL, drop your 50fps progressive clip in the timeline, you will see each frame as you use the frame advance feature.

Jeff

Jeff,

Ok I have checked all that and am happy with your suggestions.

But now I have come up against another problem.

I purchased the Canon 80D because, amongst other things, it had 50fps video capture.

So I made a DVD in AVCHD, H.264 ay 1920x1280 50p but alas my Samsung BD-H6500 BluRay player will not play iy, saying, this DVD is in the AVCHD 2.0 format which this media player does not support.

So Canon and Cyberlink combine to make a DVD that Samsung (BD-H6500) cannot play.
There are no updates available for the BD-H6500 available.

I am currently chatting to Samsung who are no help to me at the moment!

The guy said have you tried using a different AVCHD 2.0 file. I don't know of a different AVCHD 2.0 file to use.

They are now saying that my BluRay Player will not play AVCHD 2.0 which I have read is deemed for Progressive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#Specification_addendum_.28AVCHD_2.0.29

Can ANYONE help please? Phil
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So I made a DVD in AVCHD, H.264 ay 1920x1280 50p but alas my Samsung BD-H6500 BluRay player will not play iy, saying, this DVD is in the AVCHD 2.0 format which this media player does not support.


... Can ANYONE help please?

sorry Phil. no can do.

unless you buy a brand new one with updated firmware that'll play AVCHD 2.0...

while back advanced users of PD requested max bitrate for the Blu-ray.

Cyberlink acknowledged so PD14 utilzes 28Mb/sec Progressive bitrate at 60p/50p;

however, yours and my Sammy BD-F5700 will not play it.

PC or laptop with VLC, MPC-HC like players, no problems at all...



only way is produce in lower bitrate 24P or 50i 24Mb/sec, etc.



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7Phil77,
To me there appears confusion on what you want. You mention AVCHD specifically so I assume no to BDMV. Yes both approaches use H.264 MPEG-4 AVC video compression standards but also major differences in file constructs and playability.

I know of nothing that has been taken out or sacrificed in PD14 by users request for 1920x1080 progressive support provided on many players. If there is, a detail post of pertinent info should be provided so that CL could potentially remedy. For those that have compatible players, from what I've seen it appears to playback correctly for CPU encoding. I also see no reason that you cannot still create the format your non AVCHD 2.0 compliant player supports. Have you created a AVCHD disc with formats supported by your Samsung BD-H6500 and they don't play? I'll leave it at that as I don't have any more non AVCHD2.0 compliant BD players handy to validate.

Previously my non-compliant player could playback 1920x1080/60p content from Harddrive/Flashdrive just not AVCHD on DVD if that ever suits the need.

Somewhat tough when one upgrades a camera, one may also need new playback capability, may need new TV, new editing power...... to really enjoy what was purchased.

Jeff

Quote 7Phil77,
To me there appears confusion on what you want. You mention AVCHD specifically so I assume no to BDMV. Yes both approaches use H.264 MPEG-4 AVC video compression standards but also major differences in file constructs and playability.

I know of nothing that has been taken out or sacrificed in PD14 by users request for 1920x1080 progressive support provided on many players. If there is, a detail post of pertinent info should be provided so that CL could potentially remedy. For those that have compatible players, from what I've seen it appears to playback correctly for CPU encoding. I also see no reason that you cannot still create the format your non AVCHD 2.0 compliant player supports. Have you created a AVCHD disc with formats supported by your Samsung BD-H6500 and they don't play? I'll leave it at that as I don't have any more non AVCHD2.0 compliant BD players handy to validate.

Previously my non-compliant player could playback 1920x1080/60p content from Harddrive/Flashdrive just not AVCHD on DVD if that ever suits the need.

Somewhat tough when one upgrades a camera, one may also need new playback capability, may need new TV, new editing power...... to really enjoy what was purchased.

Jeff

Thanks Jeff, I'm really not tech savvy and don't even know what BDMV means.

I did find this from July, 2011, "The AVCHD video format specification has been updated to include 1080 60p and 50p video. The AVCHD 2.0 standard has been approved by Sony and Panasonic - the co-promoters of the format. The move also includes additional support for high definition 3D movies in the format. Up until now, both companies have made high-end camcorders that incorporated out-of-specification 60p video in what was otherwise an AVCHD arrangement."

Tomorrow I will try my disc in some other BluRay players including Sony and Panasonic and see what happens.

Looks like Samsung might have had a fall out with Sony and Panasonic.

I have just sent an enquiry to Samsung Australia.

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AVCHD > format for putting AVC H.264 on DVD and/or flashmedia that supports menu playback
BDMV > format for putting AVC H.264 on BD that supports menu playback

PD actually added AVCHD 2.0 support in PD11 as referenced here: http://www.cyberlink.com/support/product-faq-content.do?id=14955&prodId=4&prodVerId=-1&CategoryId=-1&keyword=avchd 2.0

As indicated, if you want to see if you can playback your content on your player, best I see is to create a AVCHD disc in a format compatible with your player supported formats. If you want to create and playback a AVCHD disc with 1920x1080/50p content, one needs to get an appropriate AVCHD 2.0 supported player of which yours is not with the info you supplied from Samsung.

Jeff

Quote AVCHD > format for putting AVC H.264 on DVD and/or flashmedia that supports menu playback
BDMV > format for putting AVC H.264 on BD that supports menu playback

PD actually added AVCHD 2.0 support in PD11 as referenced here: http://www.cyberlink.com/support/product-faq-content.do?id=14955&prodId=4&prodVerId=-1&CategoryId=-1&keyword=avchd 2.0

As indicated, if you want to see if you can playback your content on your player, best I see is to create a AVCHD disc in a format compatible with your player supported formats. If you want to create and playback a AVCHD disc with 1920x1080/50p content, one needs to get an appropriate AVCHD 2.0 supported player of which yours is not with the info you supplied from Samsung.

Jeff

Jeff,

You are absolutely correct and talking directly to Samsung and sending them emails is a complete waste of time....so....this afternoon I took my AVCHD 2.0 disc into JB Hi Fi and they ran it on a Panasonic BluRay player and it played ok.
So I bought the cheap DMP-BD84GN-K for AU$80 and the disc plays fine and also can be run at various slo-mo speeds to boot!

So much for Samsung!!!!! Phil
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