You can bring the clip in, you seem to have a phone video shot vertically, and stretch it to get it to fill the screen real estate. PD will then render the portion only within the visible screen real estate, you would need to choose an HD output of course. This will however result in a rather degraded clip because you have to zoom in so much to fill the screen.

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Thanks for your quick reply. Yes, this is an iPhone video shot vertically.

It seems, then, that PD does exactly what the other video editors I have tried do: it fits a clip to a predetermined "project" aspect ratio, such as 16:9 or 4:3, with the only option being to stretch to fit the available space.

So, PD has no way of simply letting me choose as a "project" dimensions something like 1920x1080 so there would need to be no stretching at all, and thus no degradation of quality, right?

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I'm not understanding something then, you do not want black letterboxes, correct?
You want to fill the screen, correct?

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Most screens (for viewing), if not all, are oriented that the longer dimension is the horizontal orientation - the shorter dimension is in the vertical direction (like how a TV is positioned). At least that's how my TV is positioned. If you captured video with your phone turned 90 degrees - so that the longer dimension is vertically positioned - then the image as seen on the TV will be tall and longer in the vertical direction and shorter in the horizontal direction.

I am not aware of any TV's that are usually set up so that the longer dimension of the rectangle is positioned vertically. Now computer monitors, THAT can be a different story.

But unless the video is scaled up or stretched - black bars will be evident if you do not cut off a portion of the original video. If you accept stretching of cropping some of the video clip image - THEN you can fill the viewing screen.

But like Barry is saying - either you want to fill the screen (with scaling or cropping) or accept black bars ( I think this is 'letter-boxing' isn't it?)

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I am a relative novice to video, so I apologize if I am not making myself clear or if I am not using the correct terminology. I will do my best to explain what I am trying to do.I use Zenfolio to show videos and still images. If I take a video (or am given a video) on an iPhone that was shot in "portrait" mode, then the resulting video file is 1080x1920 (WxH). If I do not edit it at all and simply upload the file to Zenfolio, and then view the video on an iPhone or an iPad, I get a video that fills the screen (as in the first attached screenshot). If I edit the video in a video editor with only a choice of outputs at 16:9 and 4:3 (I chose 16:9), I get a letterbox video, of course (I exported it in HD at 1920x1080). If I view that video on the iPhone or iPad in portrait mode, I get a video that doesn't come close to filling the screen (see second screenshot). If I turn the iPad or iPhone to landscape mode, I get what shows in the 3rd screenshot. This is better, but it still doesn't fill the device screen.

The only way I am aware of to get a video to fill the iPhone or iPad screen is to have the output/exported video be 1080x1920, as was the original. I can't find a video editor that allows me to do this, and so before purchasing PD, I wanted to know if it had the capability of doing what I want.

i tried with my Note 3. took some 1080p vertical videos.

used power tools to rotate the video and processed FHD, but

i don't think so.

unless iPhone has a rotation function...

one has to turn the whole monitor to vertical to watch it.

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Hi, all!

This sort of subject popped up in another earlier post. It seems people are wont to shoot video on their mobile phones, and when they do, they hold them vertically, in the same orientation they would to talk in them. If you're gonna use these things to shoot still images, okay, fair enough, but if you're shooting video, hold them in horizontal(landscape) orientation, rather than vertical(portrait). I recently acquired a mobile phone that has an inbuilt camera, and a micro-SD slot to take a card on which to store the images. But I flatly refuse to use it for such purpose as I wanted a phone, not a camera! I already have a good video camera, that feature in a phone is just surplus to requirements!

Cheers!

Neil.

Well, as a matter of principle I agree with Neil, but as a recent grandparent, I have absolutely no say whatsoever about what my daughter, son-in-law, and wife do when they see a cute moment and pull out their phones and shoot a video in portrait (vertical) mode!

That leaves it to me to figure out how to fix the damage...

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That leaves it to me to figure out how to fix the damage...

you can, could do only so much damage control...

remind them don't forget to turn their phones horizontally whenever they take videos.



you have no choice but do what TV stations do whenever they recieve the vertical videos,

either blurr out the sides or use the black borders.



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That is correct, Pepsiman, the damage is done.
One can mitigate it little by placing the SAME video on each track 1 and 2.
On track 1, the uppermost track, the vertical video can be expanded to fill the screen and then blurred.
On track 2 below it, the vertical video can be placed in the center. You can cheat a little by making the video a little bigger, resulting in a little loss of image to the top and bottom.
If a blurred backing moving video is too distracting you can use a frame-grab, but you'll need to blur that also. I have done this many times with old 4:3 VHS tapes.

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Hi, Barry!

I'm surprised at you! "If a blurred backing moving video is too distracting you can use a frame-grab, but you'll need to blur that also. I have done this many times with old 4:3 VHS tapes" I'd have thought you'd have cottoned on to the wonders of CLPV! I most certainly have! CLPV can bring old 4:3 aspect ratio VHS, Beta or any other analogue video format out to 16:9 without making anyone in the video look like he's/she's been "raiding the refridgerator"! I've been doing some tape-to-DVD transfers for a friend recently and CLPV has really helped to "lift" the image, making the video look like it was shot in 16:9 originally, when it wasn't.

Though CLPV would have limited effect or usefulness when dealing with the results of clips shot with mobile phones held vertically rather than horizontally. As has been said, you can only do so much, the rest is "in the laps of the gods!"

Cheers!

Neil.

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Quote: Well, as a matter of principle I agree with Neil, but as a recent grandparent, I have absolutely no say whatsoever about what my daughter, son-in-law, and wife do when they see a cute moment and pull out their phones and shoot a video in portrait (vertical) mode!
That leaves it to me to figure out how to fix the damage...

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you can, could do only so much damage control...remind them don't forget to turn their phones horizontally whenever they take videos. you have no choice but do what TV stations do whenever they recieve the vertical videos,either blurr out the sides or use the black borders. happy happy joy joyPepsiMan'garbage in garbage out'

Barry has offered you a "hack" for the video recorded to the 1080x1920 frame size - a simple ini template change, reverse the frame size in the text. The customised/altered Profile.ini will give you the visula same in/same out you're after. Now the problem then is to view the video and it wont be good on a TV!

PepsiMan has suggested you get those video/pic takers to rotate their cameras - best solution of all. I do know the problem you're facing. The answer is to train the camera holder to hold the camera steady - rotated correctly and let the action flow through the camera and not move/jiggly the camera about. There are other bits, like use the arm rest of a chair as a steady and breath in and hold one's breath for those hand held shots.

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What's the purpose of the blurred background - the image or clip behind the portrait video Barry? Is it just to fill in the space (and not leave black bars along the sides) that's not taken up by the portrait oriented video?

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Quote: Hi, Barry!
I'm surprised at you! "If a blurred backing moving video is too distracting you can use a frame-grab, but you'll need to blur that also. I have done this many times with old 4:3 VHS tapes" I'd have thought you'd have cottoned on to the wonders of CLPV! I most certainly have! CLPV can bring old 4:3 aspect ratio VHS, Beta or any other analogue video format out to 16:9 without making anyone in the video look like he's/she's been "raiding the refridgerator"! I've been doing some tape-to-DVD transfers for a friend recently and CLPV has really helped to "lift" the image, making the video look like it was shot in 16:9 originally, when it wasn't.
Cheers!Neil.

I have been digitizing tapes FOR YEARS. For those who don't know CLPV, the PD function allows you to "stretch" your 4:3 video around the sides, not so much in the center, works better or worse depending on the situation. I have used it, of course, but it is not perfect, and if you are a chubster on the edge of the frame you can easily look warped, stocky, and fatter than necessary. By keeping the original aspect ratio of 4:3 you keep the quality, such as it is, and the effect can look very nice. CLPV does not really work in this case of a vertical phone video. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
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Hi, Richmond Dan!

Barry partly explained it in his post, but I thought I'd add my two-cents-worth here. CLPV is a Cyberlink-developed feature of Power Director which is called up when you want to set image attributes. I'm not quite sure how it's done in PD9 through to 13(though I guess it might be the same as in PD14. So let's look at PD14 first. If you've imported content shot in 4:3 aspect ratio and your PD14 is set for working in 16:9, when you pull it into the timeline, you'll get a warning telling you of the aspect ratio conflict, click on "No" to disregard that warning, then, with the clip on the timeline, right-click on it and select "Set Clip Attributes" you'll get a choice of four, aspect ratio will be the last(bottom) on that list. Bringing up Clip Aspect Ratio settings, select "The Aspect Ratio is 4:3" and you'll get the CLPV option as one of two choices. The result is that the image is then stretched in a way that, for the most-part retains the proportions of the image(or appears to) while stretching it out to fit the 16:9 screen. PD8 does it a bit differently(but not much). You get the same aspect ratio warning when you drag your clip to the timeline, again you click "Bo" to disregard it. When you right-click on the timeline in PD8, you have a direct access to reset the aspect ratio. When the Clip Aspect Ratio settings panel comes up, selecting the "clip is 4:3" will give you four options, a) use "letterbox" to convert, b) stretch clip to 16:9, c) use CLPV to stretch...., and d) use crop to convert to 16:9, CLPV is at opion 3. Barry, I think, has underestimated the ability of CLPV to do the conversion job. I've been using CLPV quite a bit lately and there's no distorting of images at all. About the only thing you'll lose is any captions at the bottom or top of the screen, either partially or wholly depending on how close to the top or bottom of the screen the captions are, that's because there's a little bit of vertical stretch applied, but not too much. That's CLPV in a nutshell, Hope I've enlightened you.

Cheers!

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