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Quote: I've not underestimated anything but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Hi, Barry!

....more than one way to skin a cat! That's pussin' things a bit!

Cheers!

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Speaking of off topic chat

This thread is (was) about producing & displaying portrait video - not about stretching 4:3 clips to 16:9. So I don't contribute further to dragging the thread off the OP's question, I've started a new thread here - https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/0/47434.page#247211

Dan - that comparison should show the differences between stretch & CLPV.

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Even though most NLEs are "stuck" in horizontal widescreen mode - obviously because TVs have that aspect ratio/orientation - the monitor world is changing to match current devices.

My son has one of these in his office - http://www.samsung.com/au/business/business-products/business-monitor/ergonomic-design-range/LS27C45KBSU/XY Admittedly video viewing isn't his main activity, but (when it is) much of the video he views is shot in the field on a smartphone or tablet... and it's vertical! Since he's a project manager (railway construction & repair) he doesn't have the problem of producing the videos. They just provide data.

Monitors that can be used in landscape or portrait mode are not uncommon, so (eventually) NLEs will probably move to facilitate this. Right now, they're not keeping pace with developments.

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Quote: You can bring the clip in, you seem to have a phone video shot vertically, and stretch it to get it to fill the screen real estate. PD will then render the portion only within the visible screen real estate, you would need to choose an HD output of course. This will however result in a rather degraded clip because you have to zoom in so much to fill the screen.

You CAN alter the presets through a simple ini file "hack" procedure, though.

Thanks...I missed the implication of the presets change hack. Is there a link to a post on how to hack the ini file? I'm not experienced enough with PD to figure this out on my own.

Quote:

Quote: You can bring the clip in, you seem to have a phone video shot vertically, and stretch it to get it to fill the screen real estate. PD will then render the portion only within the visible screen real estate, you would need to choose an HD output of course. This will however result in a rather degraded clip because you have to zoom in so much to fill the screen.

You CAN alter the presets through a simple ini file "hack" procedure, though.

Thanks...I missed the implication of the presets change hack. Is there a link to a post on how to hack the ini file? I'm not experienced enough with PD to figure this out on my own.

yup.

look at the my first reply.

4th from the top of this thread with an attachments: however, it didn't work for me.



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I do not believe the OP will accomplish what is desired. The best is to bite the bullet, use the video vertical, employ one of the band-aids covered here, demand the videographers learn to use the phone properly, and hope they comply.
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Quote:
yup.

look at the my first reply.

4th from the top of this thread with an attachments: however, it didn't work for me.

happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out'

OK, I even missed the downloadable video! Sorry...and thanks!

I watched it, and it doesn't seem too bad. But you said it didn't work. What didn't work about it for you?

when i created a custom profile(hacked), resultant videos was still horizontal not vertical.

below is what it looks like when dissected...

&&&
<Class>MPEG-4 AVC
<Name>Cindy5230
<Description>720x404
<Output FileName>
<DescID>11924
<NameID>11925
<Group>2
<File Format Class>11
<Video Format Class>8
<Audio Format Class>10
<Stream Flag>3
<Field Order>0
<Attribute>40083
<Video BitRate>6000000
<Min BitRate>3000000
<Max BitRate>6500000
<Video Quality>0

<Video Width>720 <- changed this to 1080

<Video Height>480 <- changed this to 1920

<Frame Rate>29.969999
<Profile Level>65380
<Pattern>IBPBPBPBPBPBPBPBPBPBPBPBPBPBP
<Pre Processing>0
<Resize>1
<Flip Video>0
<Speed Quality Indicator>6
<Interlacing>0
<Encoder Mode>0
<App Type>2
<Dynamic GOP>0
<Deblock>1
<EntryMode>1
<Encoder Type>32
<Audio Layer>2
<Audio Mode>2
<Audio BitRate>128000
<Audio Channels>2
<Audio SamplesPerSec>1
<Audio BitsPerSample>1
<Misc>0
<SamplesPerFrame>0
&&


it should give vertical video but it didn't for me(maybe, because i don't have a vertical monitor???).

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Quote: I do not believe the OP will accomplish what is desired. The best is to bite the bullet, use the video vertical, employ one of the band-aids covered here, demand the videographers learn to use the phone properly, and hope they comply.
Good luck.

Hi, Barry!

I agree, videographers should(if they're going to use them) learn to use these mobile phone cameras properly, in HORIZONTAL orientation! But when there's a plethora of really-good dedicated devices available out there, towit, digital video cameras, which can also record stereo audio for added realism on their home movies, why then, do they insist on using a mobile phone? It's like riding a bike when you could travel by car!

Cheers!

Neil.

Hi camner -

The video PepsiMan posted in this thread shows how to edit the Profile.ini. So does the attached document.

Like PepsiMan, I tested the process with a portrait video from my iPhone and came out with a landcape video. What I mean is MediaInfo said it was 1080x1920 but also that it was 16:9! When played back in a media player it plays just like a regular 16:9 video.

So - how does it playback on the iPhone? When I tried to sync the iTunes videos with the iPhone it told me the iPhone couldn't read the file... so that's something I need to work on.

Effectively, I hit a bit of a brick wall.

I'll get back to you when I work out what I'm doing wrongly.

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Neil -

Have you noticed that you rarely seem to shift your thinking no matter what information is put before you? You seem like an intelligent guy who's determined to think what he thought before.

Fair enough - different strokes.

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Quote: Neil -

Have you noticed that you rarely seem to shift your thinking no matter what information is put before you? You seem like an intelligent guy who's determined to think what he thought before.

Fair enough - different strokes.

Cheers - Tony

Hello, Tony!

I've always held the view that specific devices should be devoted to specific purposes, and the purposes should not be crossed. Thus: a mobile phone is for communication(voice or text) and a video camera is for shooting video. The demarcation lines between these devices has, regrettably, become blurred in recent times, it's time those lines were brought back into sharp focus! When we see so many video cameras on the market, capable of shooting really better-than-broadcast-quality video, complete with stereo audio, why restrict ourselves to ordinary mono-audio shots from mobile phones, the cameras built in to which, being not much better than toy cameras?

Cheers!

Neil

Quote:

Hello, Tony!

I've always held the view that specific devices should be devoted to specific purposes, and the purposes should not be crossed. Thus: a mobile phone is for communication(voice or text) and a video camera is for shooting video. The demarcation lines between these devices has, regrettably, become blurred in recent times, it's time those lines were brought back into sharp focus! When we see so many video cameras on the market, capable of shooting really better-than-broadcast-quality video, complete with stereo audio, why restrict ourselves to ordinary mono-audio shots from mobile phones, the cameras built in to which, being not much better than toy cameras?

Cheers!

Neil

Being the moderate that I am, I can see both sides of this. On the one hand, I think the ubiquity of the smartphone camera has had a couple of negative consequences, including a lot less thought put into composition (even with spontaneous snapshots) and has fed an increasing tide of narcissim–it's one thing for proud new parents or grandparents to take a post a million pics of a new baby...this will pass in time, but another thing when it seems nearly everyone thinks the rest of the world is dying to see pics of us going about our mundane daily lives!

But, we don't always have the "right" equipment around, and particularly when it comes to taking pictures of young children, they're doing something cute when they're doing something cute, and pulling out the handy smartphone seems better than saying "Whoops, no picture/video right now because I don't have the appropriate camera for that handy."

Now, if I only could persuade those around me to keep the damn smartphone in landscape mode!

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(to camner) - Either that or accept black bars along the left and right sides while viewing a video clip...

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Being the moderate that I am, I can see both sides of this. On the one hand, I think the ubiquity of the smartphone camera has had a couple of negative consequences, including a lot less thought put into composition (even with spontaneous snapshots) and has fed an increasing tide of narcissim–it's one thing for proud new parents or grandparents to take a post a million pics of a new baby...this will pass in time, but another thing when it seems nearly everyone thinks the rest of the world is dying to see pics of us going about our mundane daily lives!

But, we don't always have the "right" equipment around, and particularly when it comes to taking pictures of young children, they're doing something cute when they're doing something cute, and pulling out the handy smartphone seems better than saying "Whoops, no picture/video right now because I don't have the appropriate camera for that handy."

Now, if I only could persuade those around me to keep the damn smartphone in landscape mode!

Hello, Camner!

Though I stick with the view I've expressed, it's not gonna stop people using mobile phones with inbuilt cameras, using them as video or stills cameras. But there's more negative aspects about such devices than you've named. Paedophiles have used such devices(as reported in TV new bulletins) to take videos of naked children in municipal pool dressing rooms while posing as pool staff. Not very nice when little Jenny or Jamie has just finished her/his swim and is getting changed back into street clothes. Such incidences show the danger of these devices in the wrong hands and informs my view of specific devices for specific purposes.

And yes, that ever-present habit of holding the phone in Vertical orientation to take a video.... Pardon me for saying, but it looks bloody awful! There... I said it! Now I'll head for the hills as they(mobile phone users) will be baying for my blood. ha-ha!

Cheers!

Neil.

Back to the topic of the thread...

Camner - I think I have to admit temporary defeat on this question. I may be doing something wrongly but I can't see where.

Here's what I did to arrive at this point of failure:

1. Shot a portrait video using my iPhone.

2. Imported it into PDR & made a custom profile as others have posted - 1080x1920

3. Produced using the custom profile & got a landscape video with the vertical clip stuck between black sides - NOT a portrait video at all. Here's what the original clip & the produced file looked like in the media library:



This produced file would not transfer to the iPhone so I could test playback there



4. Produced the video again using the Device > Apple > iPhone/iPad > 1920x1080 profile (that's it in the screenshot above). Again - as expected - this is not the portrait oriented video you were after.

5. Transferred the "Device Profile iPhone" video to the iPhone to test playback & this is what I got. No amount of phone swivelling would make it playback vertically!



So - I've failed to land a result on this one.

Is anyone able to explain either (a) where I've messed up or (b) how to achieve the "same in/out profile" the OP is after.

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My thanks for trying this. It really ought to be simple, no? Why video editing software won't do this I just don't know. The only editor that I've found that will allow one to set an export custom dimension setting simply (without a preset hack) is iMovie '11, which is several iterations old of iMovie and is bound to stop working before too long (it also lacks a lot of features that more modern video editors have).

Does your old software actually give you a file that plays vertical on a modern phone?
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