How much are you willing to spend for a version of PDVD that has to pay the exorbitant licensing costs for Dolby Atmos and then again for DTS X? Are you willing to pay twice as much for it? How about everyone else, are they all willing to pay twice as much for a niche feature?

How many people are going to cut holes in their ceiling to improve the sound on from their computer? Remember, most people are still at 2 channel sound! If people are unwilling to run wires to get the huge improvement from 6 channel sound, what makes you think they will run out and move to ATMOS?

Are you willing to upgrade your PC to meet the new, very high specs you will need to process the speaker locations in real time?

I have to ask, how are you powering all those speakers without an external amplifier? You will need the at least 9 speakers to make this work (5.1 plus 2 front ceiling and 2 rear ceiling).


Cyberlink would be financially stupid to add Dolby ATMOS to their product just because a few people wrote they want it. It would take a corporate buyer asking for it (and one who is willing to pay the R&D costs of adding it) for it to ever appear. I cannot see that happening, ever.

If I were you, I would accept that PDVD will never have ATMOS because it is a stupid thing for them to add. I would go out and buy an AVR with ATMOS and DTS X support in it instead.

Where is my HD-DVD support? Why won't Cyberlink make poor business choices and spent money to provide things almost no one wants simply because I say they must!?!

Hey Michael.
It's not 1995 any more. People don't sit there on their 14" CRT monitors with their sound blaster stereo soundcard.

I'd pay quite a bit for powerdvd with atmos and DTS X
They could make it an add on charge for people that want it.

They do have different versions with different features you know Michael.
If you don't want the features get the cut down version. Simple.

You also don't have to cut holes in your ceiling for atmos, but I'm sure you know that already.
Fact is why didn they bother implementing 5.1 and 7.1 to analogue if everyone uses stereo?

It's ok for 5.1 and 7.1 but 7.1.4 is too many speakers?
Your argument defies logic.

You think you need a powerful PC to render object based audio? Games have been doing it for years. That's while rendering the gfx, physics, AI in real time. with Atmos/DTSX movie playback wouldn't need to do it to be such low latency and they could 'look ahead' if required (which it isn't)

Michael, you've never heard of active speakers? Speakers with amps in? Those movies you are watching were mixed on active speakers.

Now how much would I pay? Quite a lot actually, seeing I would need to spend £2000 on a pre pro that support atmos and DTSX and has balanced outputs.
I'd pay more than double let's put it that way.
So would a hell of a lot of other people judging by this thread.

You shouldn't post on threads you clearly don't properly understand. There's a reason why this thread has had so many views, and it isn't because everyone is watching films on their PC in stereo, that's for sure.

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More than double is not enough money to offset their costs. ATMOS decoding licenses are not cheap by any stretch of the imagination.

You could save yourself a ton of money by not buying active speakers and instead buying a good AVR and good passive speakers. You do not need balanced outputs for ATMOS.

You can buy an excellent Denon or Onkyo unit for a LOT less than that. If you bought straight from the manufacturer and therefor paid the highest price possible, the 5200W will only run you £1699.

Most people still use the speakers in their TV for sound. Doubt that? Before you do, first ask yourself how many people listen to MP3s on their IPOD instead of CDs or Vinyl. Then ask yourself how lazy you think most people are and if they are actually going to run wires across the living room (or through walls) to put up even a 5.1 system. Then ask yourself how many of these people will know that reflective speakers exists so they do not have to cut holes in the ceiling (though dedicated ceiling speakers are superior - as anyone who has researched ATMOS would know).

After asking yourself those questions, you will realize that yes, most people still use the TV speakers for their sound. Of those who upgrade, most move to a sound bar that simulates surround sound and think it is wonderful.

Now you are demanding a company spend a lot of money to add a feature that almost no one will use. Decoding ATMOS is not the same providing ATMOS encoded sound - so the comparison many make to games is useless. Games have encoded sound, they require you do have something to decode ATMOS, such as an AVR. In this way they are just like movies.

Putting ATMOS in PDVD is just as silly as restoring HD-DVD to PDVD. Unless a large buyer tells Cyberlink they want it added, it will never be added.

Look at it this way, Atmos, DTSX etc are the next generation of surround sound formats. Just like dolby true hd and the formats that came before them they will slowly become the norm.

I think it will take a while but power Dvd, VLC etc will end up supporting them.

You say it's a feature almost no one will use, I doubt that. PC derived content is becoming increasingly the norm and minimalist hardware like NUC media players etc are incredibly popular.

People do want Atmos and DTSX hence the huge numbers of avr sales every year and Dolby's business riding on the fact. A small but ever increasing percentage of those people will want software decoding. If power dvd don't provide it someone else will.

Games like battlefront ENCODE Atmos in REALTIME, a more cpu taxing task than decoding. (I worked on the DTSX encoding application btw) the trinov altitude is based on a single i7 processor and supports 32 channels.

As for licensing, I was under the impression that a company pays per peice of hardware / software licence so it could be reserved for the full package and pay for itself..

It could be argued that Atmos is an easier upgrade than 5.1 to 7.1 as the up firing speakers can be placed on top of previous speakers. (Which can sound very good if done properly)

I personally love ATMOS and think people are missing out. One of the biggest issues, other than that most people are still using the speakers in their TVs - or are using a soundbar (not much better), are the number of ATMOS titles. Sure, there are hundreds of them now, but that counts re-releases. For 2015, there were only about 10 titles released with ATMOS...and one of them was Gravity (which was a horrible movie).

I know you can use ATMOS to upconvert on the fly - and I personally think it is worth doing that, too.

You are correct, eventually PDVD will support ATMOS and DTS:X, but most likely not for many years. It will have to become the norm in sound first and then they will support it. I say this mostly because there is no real competition in the software player realm. Who else is out there as competition? Corel's WinDVD, but that is far behind. You have some open source, but the common man on the street will never use them.

AVR makes gladly pay the price penalty due to the massive competition. If they do not have it they will die. Software makers have no need.

Quote: More than double is not enough money to offset their costs. ATMOS decoding licenses are not cheap by any stretch of the imagination.

You and Michael seem to know a lot about Dolby atmos licenses. How much are they exactly? I can't seem to find any info and you seem to know it all!

Quote: You could save yourself a ton of money by not buying active speakers and instead buying a good AVR and good passive speakers. You do not need balanced outputs for ATMOS.

Well a Ferrari drive could save himself a lot of money buying a lada but that's hardly the point.

Theres a reason 99% of recording studio/mastering studios/production houses use active speakers. They sound better.

Quote: You can buy an excellent Denon or Onkyo unit for a LOT less than that. If you bought straight from the manufacturer and therefor paid the highest price possible, the 5200W will only run you £1699.

Or powerdvd can support the latest Dolby and DTS formats in exactly the same way they have been for the last decades. (I.e decode to analogue)

The DAC's on DVR's aren't much cop either, especially for music. Then there's the cheaper components, software crossovers, noise from components being too close together. I could go on but I've covered this at least twice already in this thread and the powerdvd14 one.

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Most people still use the speakers in their TV for sound. Doubt that? Before you do, first ask yourself how many people listen to MP3s on their IPOD instead of CDs or Vinyl. Then ask yourself how lazy you think most people are and if they are actually going to run wires across the living room (or through walls) to put up even a 5.1 system. Then ask yourself how many of these people will know that reflective speakers exists so they do not have to cut holes in the ceiling (though dedicated ceiling speakers are superior - as anyone who has researched ATMOS would know).

you're making sweeping generalisations and huge assumptions. You might hang around with people like that but you can't judge everyone the same.

The people you are talking about aren't one of the people who have viewed this thread 8000 times.

Quote: After asking yourself those questions, you will realize that yes, most people still use the TV speakers for their sound. Of those who upgrade, most move to a sound bar that simulates surround sound and think it is wonderful.

see above response.

Quote: Now you are demanding a company spend a lot of money to add a feature that almost no one will use. Decoding ATMOS is not the same providing ATMOS encoded sound - so the comparison many make to games is useless. Games have encoded sound, they require you do have something to decode ATMOS, such as an AVR. In this way they are just like movies.

I can't be bothered to go into why your wrong on so many levels., This has been explained to you already by another poster.

Quote: Putting ATMOS in PDVD is just as silly as restoring HD-DVD to PDVD. Unless a large buyer tells Cyberlink they want it added, it will never be added.

if they don't, there is no point in buying it, there's is no point in powerdvd at all, might aswell just use vlc Haswell 4770k watercooled @4.6 ghz. 16GB RAM,
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My guess is we are less ha a month a way from powerdvd 16.
Into really hope it supports 4K Blu-ray Discs and of course Dolby atmos decoding to analogue.
Would be nice to have DTSX support too.

Hopefully after all these years and threads about the subject, cyberlink will come through with the goods.

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I had a bad dream last night. In remote powerdvd 16 came out and it didn't support Dolby atmos or UHD 4K Bluray.

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Billy, we already know that PowerDVD 16 has *no* support for both Dolby-Atmos and UHD-BD, just search the web.

Have you got a link Peter. I can't seem to find any info on it.

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Looks like PDVD16 doesn't support Atmos either (except for those of us with a modern receiver through bitstreaming).
Time to stop that crusade... My collection: http://www.blu-ray.com/community/collection.php?u=194008&action=showcategory&category=1&categoryid=7

I do this today with PDVD. I only have to bitstream HD Audio to my AVR. So the title of this thread is misleading. PowerDVD supports Atmos (and soon DTS:X) perfectly. It just doesn't decode and render it because there is no standard hardware support for more than 7.1 analog channels Download free software for Windows 10

Quote Looks like PDVD16 doesn't support Atmos either (except for those of us with a modern receiver through bitstreaming).
Time to stop that crusade...

Hm, You can not get ATMOS with a ATMOS receiver throu bitstreaming with Power DVD. Free Kodi (no HDR) or the Windows 10 app Fim&TV can do it but not Power DVD 17 Ultra.