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Can I burn to Blu-ray at 1920x1080 60p?
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Hi Folks,

New PowerDirector user here and I have a rookie question. I recently shot some video of some local youth football games in 1920x1080 60p. I have edited and rendered the first game in PD 12. The H.264 AVC file I produced has the following properties-

Bit rate - 26.21
Resolution- 1920 x1080
Frame rate - 59.94 fps
Aspect ratio - 16.9
Profile - High profile
Frame type - Progressive

I would like to burn this game to blu-ray using these settings, however in the Create Disc tab when I choose Blu-ray and H.264 the closest setting I see in the video quality/format drop down is 1920x1080 60i.

Is it possible to burn my video to BD using 1920x1080 60p? If so what do I need to select in the Create Disc tab?

If it is not possible, is this a limitation of PowerDirector? The BD standard? Or is there something else I am missing?

Bottom line is I would like to output in the same quality I shot in if possible so nothing is lost and there are no artifacts or quality issues. If playback on a standard BD player will not work using my preferred settings, then what do you recommend as my next best option?

Any help for a noob is appreciated. Thanks.

Dave

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Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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1920x1080 60p is not in the BluRay spec, 30i is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Video

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Thanks for your reply Carl312. Since posting my first query, I ran across this thread -

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/26291.page

It mentions creating an H.264 AVC file and then using a couple utilities to burn the appropriate files to BD as a data disc that will result in a 1920x1080 60p movie that can be played on most newer BD players. Are you familiar with this?

I would be curious if anyone else has had success with this approach.

If it is not advisable, then which of the available settings in PD12 would you recommend for creating my disc as a fall back?

Thanks for any info you can share.

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James1
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Hi,
I did not see any reference in the thread posted about burning a movie as a 'data' disk (but I may have missed it). To my way of thinking a movie sis is a movie disk, and is formatted accordingly by the burn process. You can burn video files to a data disk but the player may or may not recognize them as a movie but just a collection of movie file (not chapters, no scenes etc).
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Hi James1,


Thanks for your reply. Here is the reference I saw (see last highlighted line from the excerpt below)-

I made several BD 60P discs using PD11. First, edit a file 1920x1080 60P H264 AVC. Then produce it as H264 AVC
with a bit rate of 28Mb.

This would be the end of it , because this file has non standard audio, however JMONE wrote a program
called FIXPD9 that will correct this problem. And yes, it is called FIXPD9 because it was written almost 2 years ago,
that is how long this error has been around.

Search this forum and you will find this program.
The file must be called PRODUCE.M2TS, it is inserted into the opened FIXPD9 program. Then FIXPD9 .bat is pushed
and following instructions, the result will be a file called OUTPUT.M2TS.

I had some problems with this, not using the file name PRODUCE.M2TS, but JMONE was kind enough to help me along.

The next program used is TsMuxer, a free program.Blu-Ray disc is checked after dragging the OUTPUT.M2TS file into it.

Before hitting the Start Muxing button a suitable location for the resulting file has to be selected.

The resulting files BDMV, CERTIFICATE, are then burned as a data disc to Blu-Ray. I use Roxio for that .


Either way, just hoping to achieve 1920 x 1080 60p and be able to play it on a newer BD player. Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks again to you and Carl312 for your help.

Dave
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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The real question is, if you have 1080 60p videos on a BluRay disk, will your player be able to play them.

If you are only playing the disk on a computer, it is likely you can play the 1080 60p video.

As to burning a Data Disk, all BluRay disks are 'UDF 2.5 data disks', but for a BluRay Video it must have the structure of a
BDMV folder and CERTIFICATE folder.

The actual movie is in subfolders of the BDMV folder.

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Eugen157
Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline
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Carl is unfortunately correct, 60P is not a BR standard but it is alive and well.

Virtually all new BR players will play a 1920x1080 60P 28Mb w/o problems. Sony, Panasonic, Samsung , all have firmware updates that enable 60P on some of their older models.

Mine is a over 3 year old Samsung BD-C5500 and after updating the firmware over a year ago plays 60P perfectly.

I have burned at least 50 different BR disks with this format and they play w/o problems in our neighborhood on players that are up to two years old.

If you follow the excerpt you should do ok, looks like I wrote that piece some time ago. There is a audio format problem with 60P as produced by PD, JMONE did write a program for PD9 !! to correct that and it works well. It's use is a must.

EDIT. JMONE wrote a new version that includes TsMuxer, ReMuxPD, you might search for it

60P produces so much better video than 60i, that is why I use it always.

Very frustrating this mess, perhaps some one with the appropriate skills can produce a program that could be added to PD to make 60P go.

After all, 60P has been on camcorders for years, even Canon finally saw the light and now offers it in their latest camcorder!

It CAN be done

good luck

Eugene

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Quote: Hi Folks,

New PowerDirector user here and I have a rookie question. I recently shot some video of some local youth football games in 1920x1080 60p. I have edited and rendered the first game in PD 12. The H.264 AVC file I produced has the following properties-

Bit rate - 26.21
Resolution- 1920 x1080
Frame rate - 59.94 fps
Aspect ratio - 16.9
Profile - High profile
Frame type - Progressive

I would like to burn this game to blu-ray using these settings, however in the Create Disc tab when I choose Blu-ray and H.264 the closest setting I see in the video quality/format drop down is 1920x1080 60i.

Is it possible to burn my video to BD using 1920x1080 60p? If so what do I need to select in the Create Disc tab?

If it is not possible, is this a limitation of PowerDirector? The BD standard? Or is there something else I am missing?

Bottom line is I would like to output in the same quality I shot in if possible so nothing is lost and there are no artifacts or quality issues. If playback on a standard BD player will not work using my preferred settings, then what do you recommend as my next best option?

Any help for a noob is appreciated. Thanks.

Dave

Please check this link:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/29427.page#161187
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Thanks Eugene and Dhnj. I saw the thread that mentioned RemuxPD and actually PM'd Jmone about it, but haven't heard back yet. Perhaps you can answer my question.

Does the new RemuxPD eliminate the need for using the fixpd9 utility? Or will I still need to run this first before using RemuxPD?

I have already produced a 1920 x 1080 60p file in PD12 that I would like to try this on. From what I have read in the various threads I am guessing these are the steps I need to go through to get to my goal.

1. Shoot video in 1920 x 1080 60p 28mb
2. Produce video to file named "produce.m2ts" using same specs.

2a. Run FixPD9 utility on "produce.m2ts" file to fix non-standard audio issue introduced by PowerDirector (<- perhaps no longer necessary?)

3. Run RemuxPD on the "produce.m2ts" file to correct any non-standard header/audio issues. Results in a file named "output.m2ts"
4. Use MultiAVCHD (free tool) to author non-compliant 1080 60p blu-ray disc using the "output.m2ts" file.
5. Use ImgBurn (free tool) to burn disc.
6. Playback your video on a newer blu-ray player or one with appropriate firmware upgrade.

Is step 2a necesary any longer? Am I missing anything else?

Almost there guys. Thanks for the help!

Dave

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Eugen157
Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline
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Dave,
you should have no problems writing to BR when using ReMuxPD. And TsMuxer, part of that program, will give you automatic chapters in 5min increments.

A lot of 60P'ers on this forum have searched for other ways of doing this, none have been found so far. A big part of the obstacle is the non standard audio that PD produces, TsMuxer et al will not accept the PD 60P output.

I and others have given detailed, illustrated, reports to CL customer service, waste of time.

So while I very much like the PD11 I use, it is only thanks to JMONE's ReMuxPD that 60P BR's can be burned at all!

Unfortunately no menus etc.

Sony and Panasonic provide a very basic editing program with their cameras, they do burn BR 50/60P. But they are too horrible to use.

So here is the bottom line:

1) Sony, Pana, Sammy etc, all produce BR players that are capable of 60P. And these guys are all members of the BR standard writing group.

2) most mid scale and up camcorders produce 60P.

3) Yet , (to my knowledge) there is no editing software for 60P available.
I wonder if there is a sinister cabal, wherein editing software producers, in order to be licensed, are prevented from providing non standard formats!!!

It is the only rational answer I can come up with>

BUMMER

Eugene
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Eugen157
Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline
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Just noticed your post.

You can do either but not both. ReMuxPD includes TsMuxer, so you can burn "output" BDMV directly to BR using the software that should be part of the burner.

Some players need CERTIFICATE included, just type it in should it be missing.

MultiAVCHD will not work with ReMuxPD, you have to use the older FIXPD9.
And as you found out by now MultiAVCHD and TsMuxer will hiccup when fed the edited 60P PD.

Personally I prefer the simpler TsMuxer over MultiAVCHD

Let us all know how it goes. Here too, PQ is the pet peeve !

Eugene

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Quote: Thanks Eugene and Dhnj. I saw the thread that mentioned RemuxPD and actually PM'd Jmone about it, but haven't heard back yet. Perhaps you can answer my question.

Does the new RemuxPD eliminate the need for using the fixpd9 utility? Or will I still need to run this first before using RemuxPD?

I have already produced a 1920 x 1080 60p file in PD12 that I would like to try this on. From what I have read in the various threads I am guessing these are the steps I need to go through to get to my goal.

1. Shoot video in 1920 x 1080 60p 28mb
2. Produce video to file named "produce.m2ts" using same specs.

2a. Run FixPD9 utility on "produce.m2ts" file to fix non-standard audio issue introduced by PowerDirector (<- perhaps no longer necessary?)

3. Run RemuxPD on the "produce.m2ts" file to correct any non-standard header/audio issues. Results in a file named "output.m2ts"
4. Use MultiAVCHD (free tool) to author non-compliant 1080 60p blu-ray disc using the "output.m2ts" file.
5. Use ImgBurn (free tool) to burn disc.
6. Playback your video on a newer blu-ray player or one with appropriate firmware upgrade.

Is step 2a necesary any longer? Am I missing anything else?

Almost there guys. Thanks for the help!

Dave

FixPD9 is the old version of RemuxPD. So RemuxPD is the only version you should use after "Produce", which is also need in PD12.
Check the "output" file from RemuxPD for Audio sync errors, as this was the case with FixPD9.
Eugen157
Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline
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Surprisingly I never had sync problems with either.

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Quote: Surprisingly I never had sync problems with either.

Eugene

Please check this Link:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/26582.page#144636
Eugen157
Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline
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Thanks.
yes, I am aware of that post, still, no sync problems here. I think Dave will keep us posted.

Eugene

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Quote: You can burn video files to a data disk but the player may or may not recognize them as a movie but just a collection if movie file (not chapters, no scenes etc).Jim
I burn video files as data to disc all the time. My 2yr old LG Bluray player recognizes several formats including MKV. If I have an issue, it's usually a bitrate too high or too low. I can even play video files from a USB external drive or thumb drive. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
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James1
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Hi,
What I was referring to is burning a DVD type video (with menu chapters etc). Yes you can burn as Data but as far as I know (which is limited with no DVD standard menu structure) it is not recognize menu structure, just individual streams? right.
This is what I was implying I will stand corrected if otherwise.
Jim

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Eugen157
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I usually start with a fancy opening and TsMuxer, part of ReMuxPD, will automatically create chapters at 5 min intervals.
This has worked out rather well.

It is a video stream only and starts playing right away.

This is the only way I know of to put 60P on a BR disc.

Eugene

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Quote: Hi,
What I was referring to is burning a DVD type video (with menu chapters etc). Yes you can burn as Data but as far as I know (which is limited with no DVD standard menu structure) it is not recognize menu structure, just individual streams? right.
This is what I was implying I will stand corrected if otherwise.
DVD 'type'? The poster wanted 1080p 60. I don't know of any software that will create a Bluray disc in that format. My LG player does recognize movies on a data disc AS VIDEO. Shows generic thumbnails like an Android smart TV. If I have several videos, I use the Bluray player remote to navigate up/down, etc., and click play. I'll never burn another disc unless I want long term storage. ; Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
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CubbyHouseFilms
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Hi

I raised a similar query in PD11 http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/26910.page

You may or may not be aware that you can burn 60P onto a DVD using the AVCHD format .

It's 'hidden' in the 'memory stick option.

I haven't tried this so I am unsure of the results.

Obviously a DVD AVCHD burnt disc can only be played in a BluRay player and the amount of data you can burn will be restricted to probably 4.7/8 GB DVD capacity.



Happy editing

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Happing editing

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