Hi Ron,
Did you visit this thread: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/15533.page

Hi Dafydd,

Just the thought of going through some of those procedures in the 1080 thread frighten me to death and there seem to be so many alternatives - AND -of course would any of them work with my set-up.

Like a number of the correspondents I am baffled by most of the language and whilst I'm happy with what I can now do on PD9, it's taken me over a year to get to this stage.

I guess I'll have to play chicken and wait for the Cyberlink 'fix'.

I do have one question however; with all the talk of the loss of quality with the conversion from 1080p, how much better is that resultant image than the best of the AVCHD versions (HA I believe) on the Panasonic SD900.

Regards

GR

Hi Ron,
I don't have the camera or footage you're referring to. Perhaps you can provide a 5 to 10 second unedited clip... and members can jump in to assist you further.

Don't worry about the terms used, you'll find everyone here is on some sort of learning curve and most editors delight in helping another out. If you ask, we'll explain

We'll all look out for the sample file(s) from a Panasonic SD900 PAL .

Tip. To create a sample file simply point the camera at an object, and record 5 to 10 seconds. If you try to get movement do so "through" the camera shot and not the camera move.

select: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/reply/0/17740.page
To attach the file(s)

Hi,

Spent part of the morning with the SD900 pointed at a mirror on my desk to test lip sync on each of the Panasonic's 5 recording modes. 1080/50p plus HA HE HG & HX. They all playback perfectly on the camera and from the SD card inserted into my Dell desktop.

I will try and attached the 1080/50p and just one of the AVCHD files - they are identified on the audio. Sorry about the background noise - I'm in my son's office with machinery whining.

When I try it on PD9 the sync on the 1080/50p is certainly odd and the dodgy lip-sync doesn't appear to be consistent.

I also find it odd that all 5 files are identified as AVCHD .MTS.

It would be nice to understand something !

Regards

GR

Hi Ron,
I have just imported both mts files into PD9. Initially I had my PD set for 30fps, I changed my settings in Prefereces to 25fps/PAL.

00014.mts = 25fps played without a problem - no lip sync issues.

00017.mts = 50fps played with lip sync issues.

I'm displaying the video with High resolution and not HD resolution to lower the drag on my graphics card.

I also noticed the video doesn't play to the end of the clip and then closes. I have reduced the preview setting to the lowest and still get lip sync issues with this clip.

I'll submit this matter to CyberLink for them to look at.
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Other editors may have different results.

FYI the SD900 produces the same output 1080/50p (or 60p) format as the 700 series. I'm also looking forward to better support of this format from Cyberlink. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Thank you Dafyyd,

It's good to have you essentially confirm what I thought I was seeing (and hearing).

I have a School Play to video at the end of the month and your test tells me that I'll have to put up with the AVCHD (HA) setting for the time being. Although that's pretty impressive as well. I've even purchased the Rode Shotgun Videomic for the occasion. The pick-up is good but the mic sits very loosely suspended in rubber bands - so any handling of the camera makes the mic bounce around with a resultant set of thumps. Solved by putting the mic on a separate tripod, of course. Also purchased a pair of 16gb Sandisk Class 10 30mbps SDHC Cards. I understand that the Class 10 is overkill but I'm getting ready for the next breed of camcorder.

I did send a missive to the Cyberlink site about a week ago, to ask if I could put the 1080/50p through PD9, that was before I did actually try it for myself - but no answer yet !

Thanks again for your time and effort.

Regards,

GR

Hi Dafyyd,

You did say ask questions and I suspect that you actually enjoy imparting your hard earned knowledge to newcomers.

I just shot a test section on the SD900 with the 16gb card in the HA Record Mode (the highest AVCHD).

It ran fine in PD9 and then I carried out a 'video in reverse' to give it something to think about. When it first started the preview really staggered at every level. Now I seem to be able to run it at the the Full HD Preview and everywhere in between. I even added video speed and video crop and I can still view it at the top level.

None of which I quite understand.

I use the Dell Inspiron 546 with the 2.6 AMD II Processor, 6gb of RAM and the NVIDIA GeForce 220 Display - purchased February 2010.

The monitor is a pretty ordinary Samsung (not HD).

If I was to improve something, either for previewing, rendering or creating DVD's what would be your recommendation - I have to say that giving up and leaving it to someone else is not an option !!!!!!!!!

Hello,

I have got the panasonic sd900 camera (including the Rode Stereomic) and i have just made my first movie with the camera and pd9.
I use the 1080/50 p settings for the camera, the best quality.
I have made about 150 scenes (mts files) and copied them without PD9 to the harddisk.
From there I take the file on by one to the timeline to cut and editing.
I'm displaying the video with High resolution and not HD resolution and that goes very well.
I have NO problems at all. It's lipsync, and everything goes very well, even with my Dualcore 2 E 8600 PC, (8 Gb memery and a Nvidia Gforce 275) -Not High end.
I have even tried to make a reverse video in PD9: NO problem at all.
I have made an AVCHD, with the setting 1920 x1080 an the result is very very good!
Tip: Let's run PD9 on a different harddisk then the one where you put your MTS files.
So, I cannot find out why you have problems with the SD900 files in 1080P.

Klavertje

(Sorry for my bad english...I am Dutch) PC with Win10 Pro 64, Intel i7 2600 ,8 Gb Memory, Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 and a lot of Hard drives
Panasonic SD900 video camera

I would encourage all to shoot in 1080p and render to 1080p50/60. Many current HD players (eg Bluray, network and smart TVs) can play these files and it is wasted opportunity not to maintain best possible resolution. PD9 has issues with interlaced format and there is a noticeable improvement to edit and output in progressive. Remember PD9 is one of the few consumer editing programmes which handle these files and can render to 1080p50/60.

If your sync issues are prohibiting you using 1080p, try converting 1080p to 1080i using the camera, then editing interlaced, but substituting the 1080p files back into the working folder for the rendering process. Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

Ron,
I have the Panasonic HDC-SD600, which I think is near identical to your SD900 in terms of optics and file formats. I record in 1080p60 and import the files to my PC using Panasonic's bundled HD Writer software. I then import the resulting file into Powerdirector the edit and produce a 1080p60 AVC file as described in this link:

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/15533.page

I intially had playback issues, but I installed the KLite codec pack Standard edition and was then able to playback fine on my PC. There is the potential for this codec pack to interfere with the operation of PD9, so I suggest installing a very limited number of codecs from that pack to minimize this potential for interference.

There may still be some playback issues with the 1080p60 AVC file created, so you may want to follow jmone's steps in his 24/01/2011 post further down in the thread noted above, to remux the file.

I found this all a bit overwhelming at first, but after reading and rereading the posts from the very helpful senior contributors, I now have 1080p60 edited footage that is indistinguishable in quality from the original 1080p60 footage recorded with the Panasonic SD600.

Hope that helps, good luck. PD9 64 Bit - Win7 Home Premium 64 Bit
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T
ATI HD4850 X2 CrossfireX
Panasonic HDC-SD600 shooting 1080p60

What a fantastic set of information for me to try and assimilate over the next year - certainly before the next School Play is produced.

Because this year's Play was imminent I did take the cowardly way out and shoot on the HA 1920 Mode because I didn't want to end up with something I couldn't bring successfully to DVD immediately.

Even so the results were absolutely wonderful; both the Panasonic SD 900 Camcorder and the Rode Video Shotgun mic behaved impeccably - each on their own tripod.

I now have a year to get into 1080/50p and Blu-Ray and I promise that I will explore all the avenues you kind folk have sent me down.

At this very moment I am experimenting with the different recording modes to get the best out of my HA 1920. Up 'til now I have PRODUCED on the avi mode but nothing ventured I'll try a little of each.

I suspect, AND HOPE, that one of you will put me on the right track there as well.

My thanks to you all.

Kindest regards,

GR

Sorry guys !

I'm out of my depth - A G A I N.

I did try a section of my 1920 x 1080 Panasonic HA Video in most of the 'PRODUCE' Modes and have even tried the AVCHD Mode in 'DISC TYPE' with the 264 'PRODUCE' section.

The full avi file came out as a 22gb movie clip file and when I tried to create the Disc I had to resort to Smart Fit because the HQ file length was 7.7gb. The resultant 1hour 50mins disc was quite jittery on some of the edges, especially the clothing.

The full MPEG 4 file came out as about 10gb and showed up again with an HQ of 7.7gb - with much
I'm not quite sure where to go nextthe same sort of jitter as the full avi version.

I tried a 6 minute HQ section of avi MPEG 2 and MPEG 4 and the results were OK. On first inspection the best results were from the 264 AVC Mode. But CREATED onto DVD.

I did try taking the 264 Mode and CREATING it via the AVCHD avenue but this will only play on our AVCHD Samsung Blu Ray and it would take up over 15gb of space in the HQ mode on DVD.

I even tried this on my old Matshita UJ 220 BD RE but the Blu Ray Player says it's not compatible.

Not quite sure where to go next.

GR

GR,

Sorry to hear your woes. The Pana is a great camera. PD9 however is a good editing suite but has some problems which I believe you are experiencing. It has a problem with interlaced h264 video where it can produce some awful combing artifacts which it seems you may be seeing. This is why I recommend you shoot in progressive even if you render to interlaced.
If I use PD9 as my sole editor from import to final disc production, I use 1080p60 clips, edit to desired result in small sections (about 20mins), render to AVCHD 1080i60 for AVCHD disc or 480p for DVD (you would use the 50fps equivalent).

You should not keep transcoding to other formats. Stick to AVCHD (except if you are burning to bluray when for some reason mpeg2 BR profile has fewer interlacing artifacts!?!!)

If the video is for your own viewing, I highly recommend you get yourself a mediaplayer and go the 1080p50 route .....the difference is noticeable! Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

Thanks pjc3.

Do you ever get the feeling that you shouldn't have started something ? OR certainly not from where you started it.

I have read your notes and followed a very long thread suggested by Dafyyd - all pointing to the fact that I DID start from the wrong place.

Unfortunately the Cinderella school play (almost 2hoursworth) is not just for our own viewing and I suspect that we'll have to produce between 30 and 40 copies for other doting parents and grandparents. We shot Peter Pan last year on an old steam driven Pana GZ 70 and that transferred perfectly to a single DVD.

I could split it into two DVD's and I guess I could offer AVCHD to the people who can play that mode and use avi (as we did for Peter Pan) for the others. I am also looking at a Blu Ray alternative and wondered if you had any views on an ideal burner or recorder to get the best out of the Cyberlink - Blu Ray output.

We have a fairly new Blu Ray player and it seems odd that the disc produced on my Matshita UJ 220 BD-RE is not compatible with it. It did recognise the disc as a BD-RE but showed it as not compatible.

GR

Hi,

I've been keeping below the parapet because I've had a wonderful time actually editing the school play, using the best scenes filmed over three nights to cut into the final 1hr 53mins epic. Loads of cuts, transitions, particles, titles, extra music and even a PIP. Split over two DVD's

BUT, now it's down to the wire and I have to produce copies for the doting parents, mostly on DVD, but I have purchased a Blu-Ray writer for the more discerning.

Now I have CREATED the first DVD at 1hr and 7mins, the amount of disturbance, combing I guess, is a deal more than the PRODUCED render suggested I should be getting.

I even tried AVCHD onto a DVD but I could only use the 720 mode because it demanded 9.3gb of space at 1920, and that is much the same.

I have read many many threads, including the 'War and Peace' sized thread - 15533, mostly about progressive video but I have copied the whole lot and will use it as the blue book for the future - but what to do about my current 1920 x 1080 issue. Most of the PRODUCE files took around 2 hours 40mins to finish and the 264 / 1920/1080 24mbs version is 11gb - it did however fit onto a standard DVD in HQ mode at around 4.3gb.

I have read threads that talk about splitting long videos into shorter sections and I could do that fairly conveniently but the renders seem OK so there would seem to be little point splitting on PRODUCE when I will have to put it back together on the CREATE DVD - apparently where the artefacts abound.

Is this something where profiles might help because I am currently using the default.

I have to keep reminding myself that the 'PRODUCE' files are all fine. And the Blu-Ray burn on my new internal Plextor 950SA is stunning. (264AVC/1920 x 1080 24mbs) for PRODUCE and Blu-Ray / MPEG-2 / HD 1920 x 1080 on CREATE - now with a Viewsonic 1920 x 1080 HD Monitor.

GR

Dell 546, 2.8gb Processor, 6gb RAM, 1tb HD, GeForce 220, Plextor 950SA Blu Ray,