Hi Mingy.

Posting a DxDiag file about your PC will help in finding out some things about your PC and its ability to handle the playback of the video files.....Do you know how to make and post a DXDiag file?

Regarding your other question:
Just uninstall Power Director from your other system and then reinstall it on your new system. It is a single license per install.

Glad to hear that PD9 is working well with your Panasonic footage!!

Regards,

Kevin
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I'll try running DxDiag tonight when I get home. The rendering issues - which may or may not actually exist - don't really bother me as I will probably upgrade my desktop system after learning a bit more about the software and before actually doing any real editing.

Render time on my netbook wasn't as bad as you'd think - about 5% of real time, I'm guessing, which isn't so bad.

The key for me was being able to inject those files ...

Here's my DxDiag file

Like I said - its a netbook

Thanks

I am pleased to report that #9 plays Panasonic 1080i /1080p just fine from timeline and media viewer!
View set to Full HD Resolution or HD Resolution now plays my testclips without pixalation or waved lines.
Put 1080p and 1080i abut, tested a few transitions cross/overlap - just fine!
Made a few enhancements, struggled a bit here, set preview "down" to HD Resolution: OK.

I will test a longer edit and production in the next days, but so far so good!


Nina
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Mingy;

I recommend you update your video drivers. Yours (6/3/2009) are over a year old.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/14162.page

Thanks for the tip!

You have to love Microsoft OS - every second day its downloading some new security fix, but automatically check for outdated drivers? Nahhhh!

I've been in search of a NLE that will support, output, and smart render the 1080/50p clips from the Pana TM700 series camcorder and it looks like PD9-64bit "may" be the answer. I've been playing with the trial and before I purchase it I have some observations that I would love an old hand to comment on to see if I have got the correct end of the stick:
1) I could setup a Custom Profile very similar to that of the original file (Video Bit rate seems lower), but
2) When checking SVRT it said it would be able to Smart Render all but the short segments with transitions, titles etc (as you would expect), but
3) When useing the Custom Profile I would get SVRT up till the first transition (V.quick) unfortunatly, it would then render from then on till the end of the project (eg it would not go back into SVRT after the 10 sec transition/title sequence).

I can no longer test as my projects are now being watermarked as a Cyberlink Trial from 00:00 so smart rendering now never starts and would like to know if this is a limitation of the Trial, a Bug, or just how SVRT works in PD9

Thanks
Nathan



FYI, The following is a comparision of an original Pana file Vs one created by PD9.

PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Another Q has come up (and I can not test with the trial), is that these original video clips can have above the Maximum Bit rate of a Max of 24,000 Kbps that you can select in a Custom Profile. If that is the case will Smart Rendering be lost or can you bump this setting up?
PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Hi Jmone,

I can confirm for you that what you observed is what is happening. SVRT seems to work until it hits that transition...then slows down to actually render the transition(expected result), but doesn't crank back up to SVRT speed. As one of the beta testers of the product it was reported early on in the testing and has never been repaired.

Here is another topic regarding this subject:
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/14130.page

Let's hope for some good news very soon.

Regarding your second question: I don't know as I only shoot with 17Kbps bit rate and haven't tested the higher bit rate cameras. Maybe someone else can comment about that... Andrew??

Regards,

KEvin
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Quote: Another Q has come up (and I can not test with the trial), is that these original video clips can have above the Maximum Bit rate of a Max of 24,000 Kbps that you can select in a Custom Profile. If that is the case will Smart Rendering be lost or can you bump this setting up?

Hi Nathan,

No you cannot bump up the max bitrate. I think it is aimed at the newer AVCHD specs of 1080i @ 24000 Mbps (eg canon/sony).

SVRT is a bit flaky. As I mentioned over at AVS, it does work BUT only id original clips are about 24 Mbps or less AND you don't alter the front end of the clip with trims, transitions titles etc .

I did a short 10 min video with 25 clips. 47% should have been smart rendered after transitions and overlay etc. Going from the W7 task manager CPU graph only about 20% was smart rendered and it was only the clips which had not been altered at all.

That said, the resulting rendered 1080p59.94 @ 24Mbps is pretty good. As you have seen from your results using Mediainfo, it is probably the closest to the original specs of any of the NLEs out there.


PS, you can't use GPU rendering for 1080p60 - just hangs and comes up with an error. Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

Thanks guys.

Cap'n in your experience with Cyberlink,how responsive are they in fixing stuff like the SVRT issue you posted the link to?

PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Hi jmone,

I am probably not the best person to answer that question....because I don't have enough experience. But my gut tells me that it will get fixed.....but I am sure that it won't happen in a timeframe that will make everybody happy. In a perfect world, we would have all liked to see PD9 released with all the issues fixed that were found during beta testing. I am absolutely positive that they are aware of the problems and I would imagine are working on them.

I don't know where SVRT is on their triage list. A functioning SVRT tool is very important to some and not to others. The editors that make long projects will want to see SVRT fixed quickly.

I think more information will surface in the forum soon....maybe sooner than later.

I hope that helps answer your question....but I am still learning myself

Regards,

Kevin
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Quote: No you cannot bump up the max bitrate. I think it is aimed at the newer AVCHD specs of 1080i @ 24000 Mbps (eg canon/sony).

Good News! You can "manually" edit the profile and push up the Bit Rate - I've set mine as an average of 25Mbps and a Max of 28Mbs - may need some fine tuning and playing but apart from the SVRT bug it will now Smart Render my higher bitrate files!

So the process is you:
1) Create the Custom Profile in PD9 as usual
2) Then you need to Edit it in Notepad --> C:\Users\[YourUserName]\AppData\Roaming\CyberLink\PowerDirector\9.0\Profile.ini.

Here is an example of what my looks like (so far without any great tweaking)
& <Class>AVCHD <Name>Custom Profile -1 <Description> Custom Profile -1 <Output FileName> <DescID>11124 <NameID>11125 <Group>2 <File Format Class>13 <Video Format Class>8 <Audio Format Class>8 <Stream Flag>3 <Field Order>0 <Attribute>10183 <Video BitRate>25000000 <Min BitRate>11250000 <Max BitRate>28000000 <Video Quality>0 <Video Width>1920 <Video Height>1080 <Frame Rate>50.000000 <Profile Level>65380 <Pattern>IBBPBBPBBPBBP <Pre Processing>0 <Resize>1 <Flip Video>0 <Speed Quality Indicator>6 <Interlacing>0 <Encoder Mode>0 <App Type>2 <Dynamic GOP>0 <Deblock>1 <EntryMode>1 <Encoder Type>128 <Audio Layer>2 <Audio Mode>16 <Audio BitRate>384000 <Audio Channels>6 <Audio SamplesPerSec>1 <Audio BitsPerSample>1 <Misc>0 <SamplesPerFrame>0 &&
*** I'll add some screen shots in a bit as it seems to have changed some of the header info in the output file. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

*** Pics for above post:



PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

So my test was the 25.2Mbps clip and the front and end with the 23.5Mbps clip in the middle - The first clip did a render (has the trial watermark on it) but the other two then did a smart render with a slow down between clip 2 and 3, then another slow down at the end. When viewing the resutls it all looks good except for the second before the end where I see this corruption - anyone seen this before? PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Quote:

Quote: No you cannot bump up the max bitrate. I think it is aimed at the newer AVCHD specs of 1080i @ 24000 Mbps (eg canon/sony).

Good News! You can "manually" edit the profile and push up the Bit Rate - I've set mine as an average of 25Mbps and a Max of 28Mbs - may need some fine tuning and playing but apart from the SVRT bug it will now Smart Render my higher bitrate files!

Thanks for the tip. With PD7 I used to do all sorts of hacking to overcome the annoying limitations of the programme but haven't bothered with v9 yet.
I used average 28000 and max 32000 to closer resemble the limits of the TM700. I rendered a 10 min project again and the average video bitrate jumped from 20 Mbps to 24 Mbps. Whether I will see any appreciable difference is another matter but it makes me feel warm and fuzzy knowing I have got a step closer to the "no loss in video quality" nirvana.

(edit. just ran the two files through my mediaplayer: untweaked had an average of 23Mbps and peak of 27 Mbps, tweaked had average of 28 Mbps and peak of 36Mbps.)

As for the comments about Cyberlink fixing SVRT ... well I am more pessimistic than Kevin Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.

To me the warm and fuzzy for me comes from seeing SVRT working as you know that all it is doing is copying the information = "no transoding loss" on these segments.

Time to Buy I think and say goodby to VideoStudio after all these years. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

PowerDirector 9 Ultra 64 performance with 1080p 60fps off of Panasonic TM700

mrtavares, thanks for posting the video re: PD 9 Ultra and editing clips from a Panasonic TM700 that were shot at 1080p 60fps. Very helpful and encouraging. Redwing Roger

Windows 7 64 bit Home Premium, Intel Core i7-860 2.8GHz processor, 8Gb DDR3 SDRAM, nVidia GeForce GTS240 1024MB graphics card, 2nd internal HD - WD Black Caviar 2TB. PD 9 Ultra, Build 9.00.2330