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Here's your handbraked file. You could also just point to your produced video when PD asks for the handbraked version. That will work perfectly as long as the the two clips are the same length or the tracking scene starts at the same point on the timeline. Any additional content afterwards is fine.
Ok, got the files. I put the handbraked version back where it was and your PaulHarvey.pds found it. Now MORE oddness! (I didn't think that was possible)
1) It slowed PD to a crawl. For example, it took a few minutes for all the thumbnails to show up on the timeline...and there weren't that many. Then the vid played choppy as hell. Entering the motion tracker room took almost a minute and the vid played even choppier in there.
2) When playing the vid from the timeline, your trackers behaved as normal. When playing it in the Motion Tracker room, they didn't appear at all even though there was a tracker bar next to Tracker 1. It ran the entire length of the clip. There were no other trackers.
3) When I tried to add another box, a big white rectangle appeared in the center of the screen and I couldn't do anything with it.
In all my previous attempts (lost count), none of these had ever happened.
I should note: When trying this, I was working from a fresh hard re-boot.
I'm down to my chest hair now 
I really appreciate your time and trouble (I'm tired of typing 'Thanks again.')
Paul
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Here's the project file with all the trackers in place. When you open it, it won't find the main video clip but all you need to do is browse to it when you get the message and then save the project so it remebers where the clip is next time.
Ok, I tried it; but dang if I couldn't find that clip anywhere. I must have deleted it—something I never do, even when I'm done with a project. It must have been during one of my hair-pulling sessions 
I'm very sorry to have wasted your time 
Paul
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The other thing worth bearing in mind is that the particular clips you're using each have complexities that make it more difficult for the tracker to do what it has to do....Crowds of people, busy scenes... it's easy for a tracker to get distrackted
Even the drummer clip? I applied the tracker to the lead drummer after the group stopped, focusing on his undershirt like you said. But as soon as the drummer moved back about a foot, he moved right out of the box since the box didn't move with him.
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I just did some work on the red guy and it was a massive challenge! I'm not kidding - I was able to manually keyframe the thing in PiP Designer in less than half the time it took in MT.
I didn't know you could apply motion tracking that way. I haven't gotten to PiP or keyframing yet.
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At the other end of the spectrum (ignoring clips where there's virtually no motion at all!), *here's one* where Motion Tracker has no trouble doing what it's supposed to do. Download it and let us know how your motion tracker goes.
Ok, I tried it. Another anomoly occured...after applying the tracker and clicking 'Play,' the skier moved but the tracker didn't (normal for me). But when I went back to the beginning and clicked 'Track,' the tracker DID move with the subject (new for me). But it didn't last long, when the camera zoomed out the box stopped moving.
On another note: do you shoot from quads? That's the exact reason I'm trying to learn video editing 
Paul
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At one point during my fighting with one tracker or the other, I ended up with a blue mask box that grew to a large size at the end of a track. No matter how many times I reduced its size, it kept jumping back to the big size just what like the screen capture video showed.
I manage to cure that by deleting that tracker and closing the tool, and I'm thinking the issue might have been caused by doing so many edits that I overflowed some internal buffer. Paul, do you recall if that problem was ever present when you started working with the Motion Tracker or did it only happen after working with it A LOT?
When it happened to me it happened immediatley as soon as the blue box appeared (when I clicked 'FX.') As I stated below in my first response to you:
"Okay, I just upped three vids. In the first one
I'm trying to track the lead drummer. There are some new anomalies in
this one: 1) when I enter Motion Tracker, there are already two trackers
there; 2) I position the play head where I want to begin tracking, but
when I click 'Track' the play head jumps to the end of the vid; and 3)
When I do get the box where I want it and select Mosaic, the blue
bounding box won't remain sized or moved. And you'll notice the tracker
won't stay on target. As soon as the guy moves back, the tracker stays
put. Here is that vid: https://youtu.be/hbTIiEJ7qPw"
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One related anomaly is that if I go back into the Motion Tracker, the trackers are all there but the masks are not visible! They still appear when previewing on the timeline and when producing, but there's going to be more missing hair if you didn't know that and had to recreate them every time you go back to the tool!
Yes, I had noticed that and it surely was another source of frustration!
Thanks again (sheese, those keys are wearing out on my keyboard
Paul
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You mean like this?:
Exactly like that!
What was the small black box that followed him around? I've never seen that in any of my attempts.
And again, if I added another tracker everytime one left the target, I'd have to add one in damn near every frame because the box just stays put when the subject moves :/
Paul
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You want "Can View" which means anyone can access but no one can upload or change those files.
I was able to download the singer, but the other clips still need permission.
I think I got it right now on the other two.
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What effect do you want on the lead singer, and for how long? For the enitre clip or just the first section up until he talks with the band?
I was trying to blur his face starting when he was at the far end of the runway until he got back to the band.
Thanks,
Paul
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The Google Drive clips all need permission to download. Can you set them to Public? You might need to generate a new link.
They were set to Public. Then I got email notifications that you needed permission. So I went to permissions but the only options were 'Can View,' 'Can Edit,' and 'Can comment.'
There was no permission for Can Download, so I set it to Can View. Don't know what else to do :/
Paul
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By "coaching" I think he means letting the tracker go for as long as it tracks correctly, then resetting it at that point and clicking the Track button again over and over until the full sequence is set.
I've tried that too. The problem is the tracker almost never tracks correctly. And when it does, it only does so for about a second or less.
I'll try it with the band and drummer and can actually upload the project to you so you can import it straight into your video 
You guys are great! I did try ynotfish's techniqe but couldn't come close to his results. At this point I no longer think it's something I'm doing wrong...it must be something with my version or my machine somehow :/
Thanks again!
Paul
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It worked with the drum corps video, but it took some "coaching". There are some challenges in there for the tracker:
I found it best to position the selection box at the point where his black undershirt is showing under the orange T-shirt (neck).
Thanks! I tried that a few times and even more weirdness happened. I won't bother you with it but it seems the only consistency in all my attempts has been the damn tracker doesn't move with the target, no matter what I do.
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I'll upload the resultant clip if you wish, only to show that it's possible.
Nice! I can't get anything close to that. What do you mean by "coaching?"
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Hi Paul
What Tony meant was that we need a copy of the actual source clip. Although you posted it to YT, YT changes it into a streaming format so it's not the same clip you're working with and if we download it, it's changed again.
If the clip is smaller than about 100MB, you can attach it to your post. If it's larger than that, please upload to a shared folder on OneDrive or DropBox or Google Drive and post the link. That way we can work with the same clip as you!
Ok, here are links to Google Drive. The first one is the lead singer:
https://drive.google.com/a/paulhlivingston.com/file/d/0B-LpZBwdB_UvREFKV3QyR0toYnM/view?usp=sharing
This one is the red guy:
https://drive.google.com/a/paulhlivingston.com/file/d/0B-LpZBwdB_Uvc3Jubjd6eVFmR1k/view?usp=sharing
This one is the drummers:
https://drive.google.com/a/paulhlivingston.com/file/d/0B-LpZBwdB_UvQ0poeGdnQm12VG8/view?usp=sharing
Thanks again for your time and trouble.
Paul
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Paul -
I doubt whether you're using a less capable system that my little laptop! That makes me wonder whether re-installing might be a way of relieving the burden and allowing some of your hair to regenerate! 
Would it be possible to upload your clip somewhere - even a lower res version - so we can test it?
I didn't put the red guy video on YouTube, but the drummer vid (the one I tried to track the lead drummer) is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeokzbtyMTM
And the band one (the one I tried to track the lead singer) is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVnAoOneuPQ
These are the actual videos. The screen capture vids of my attempts are linked above.
Thanks again!
Paul
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it does seem that optodata's observation about your PC has some merit.
I really appreciate both your attempts to help. Thank you!
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This is NOT a tutorial - just a raw unaldulterated screen capture (almost). I couldn't do any better than the CL tutorial - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHJeWYE4fK4 which thoroughly covers all the bases. One excellent tip in there is to make the tracker smaller so it focuses on a particular colour.
In this screen capture you'll see the trick I had to do to get that tracker into the right spot. At about the 3:40 mark where it looks like nothing's happening, I was using the < & > keys to get the marker exactly where the thing went off track.
Maybe it'll give a few extra clues anyway.
I did follow the above tutorial, but your trick is new to me. I didn't know that if the tracker didn't stay on target you could move it back on target. I just tried that with the red guy video. I made the box just small enough to fit entirely in the red area of his head then clicked 'track.' Of course the tracking box didn't budge as the guy moved. So I froze it and moved the box back over his head. Same problem: the box stayed put as he moved. Tried this several times with the same result. Now I have no hair left on my head to pull out 
Thanks again to you both for your time and efforts!
Paul
Cheers - Tony
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OK. There have beeen several improvements made in the most recent beta (pre-release) ... You can also wait until the next official PD update comes out.
Thanks but I think I'll wait. That kind of stuff makes me nervous and Motion Tracker isn't that urgent for me right now.
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There's a whole other *thread* on ways to deal with issues like this, and you may want to look into that once we get these other issues squared away.
EEK! Way over my head!
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Sorry, I meant this *one* ... See if that tutorial offers any help, and let me know what you decide about trying the beta patch.
Yes, I'd seen it. Watched it again anyway and followed along. No joy 
Once again thanks for your help. I think I'll just wait for the official update, as I'm running out of hair 
Paul
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Thanks again for the quick and thorough response. I just tried it again with the singer video following your instructions. Below are the results:
- Can you please click on the PD logo at the top right and post which version you're running? The latest released version is 14.0.2109.0 and the newest beta version is 14.0.2221.0. If you have an earlier version, please try updating to at least version 2109. I'm hoping that updating will solve the box-sizing issue in your first video.
It tells me I have 14.0.2019.0, but when I click the bell icon to check for updates it tells me there are none...I'm up to date.
- It looks like your system is struggling a bit to show you the clips in real-time. One option is to lower the preview resolution from Full HD to HD or even Normal for these edits. If that doesn't help, you may want to turn on shadow files (Gear icon, Enable HD video processing (shadow file)) and wait unitl the little yellow tags on your clips in the media library turn green
Ok, I tried both HD and Normal...neither one made any difference. And shadow files had always been enabled.
- I don't think you're working with the tracking tool in the right way. The first step is to start a new tracker, place and size the tracker box and then click on the Track button and make sure the tracker works correctly. You need to do that before you add a mosaic, otherwise PD may not be able to track the object correctly because you've blurred it out!
The problem with that is on some vids (not all), if I don't click the track button the bounding box doesn't appear. In any event, I did it that way and it made no difference.
As the tutorial showed, you might need to play around with the size of the tracker to make sure that it accurately tracks your object for the entire scene. Once that tracking is set, then go ahead and add the mask.
I'm not sure what tutorial you mean, but I've probably seen it. I've watched & read everything I can find 
Try these out and let me know what happens!
After trying all of the above, one thing did change: The tracker did move! Problem is, it didn't move with the target. As the guy moved left, the tracker did too...only about 10 feet behind him. And when the guy moved right, same thing: the tracker followed behind. Very odd.
Thanks again for all your help!
Paul
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Thanks for responding!
Okay, I just upped three vids. In the first one I'm trying to track the lead drummer. There are some new anomalies in this one: 1) when I enter Motion Tracker, there are already two trackers there; 2) I position the play head where I want to begin tracking, but when I click 'Track' the play head jumps to the end of the vid; and 3) When I do get the box where I want it and select Mosaic, the blue bounding box won't remain sized or moved. And you'll notice the tracker won't stay on target. As soon as the guy moves back, the tracker stays put. Here is that vid: https://youtu.be/hbTIiEJ7qPw
In the second one, I'm trying to track the red guy. Again, I position the play head where I want but when I click the Track button, the head jumps to somewhere else. When I get the play head back where I want it and select Mosaic, the bounding box DOES stay sized and moved, but again, it doesn't stay on target. Here is that vid: https://youtu.be/HjCmsrOyNps
In this one, I'm trying to track the lead singer. This time everything seemed to work as it should but the tracker still wouldn't stay on target. Here is that vid: https://youtu.be/3aXfURHdPHk
Thanks much for your time and effort helping!
Paul
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Hello all.
I'm using PD14. Sometimes when I have a clip selected and go to Motion Tracker, the tracking box does not appear. I click on the little eye icon to turn the box on and off, but it doesn't help. There's nothing I can do in that clip.
Yet other times, with different videos, the tracker box does appear. So I set it up (trying to blur a face) as instructed, but as the subject moves, the box does not; it just stays where it was when I first set it up.
I've read the manual and tutorial and watched several videos on line. None offer any help.
So far, Motion Tracker is completely useless for me.
What am I missing?
Thanks!
PaulHarvey
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Hello all.
I need to adjust lighting using Fix/Enhance then open Action Cam Center to do freeze frames and time changes. But simply opening Action Cam undoes all my previous fixes.
I've found fhe only way around this is to render the vid after the fixes then open a new project, import the rendered mpg, and do my Action Camera Center stuff from there.
This is very clumsy and time-consuming. Does anyone know a better way?
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