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Hi pjc3.
First of all, thank you very much for trying all these options and providing your feedback. I appreciate it very much. And yes, my uploaded video is from the Panasonic HDC-TM90.
As far as I understood your feedback, the only stutter- and jitter-free playback you get is when playing the rendered video on your Dune Prime 3.0. All the other rendered versions cause some type of stutter or jitter problems on the other devices including YouTube. Unfortunately, I create the videos to share with others on YouTube or play at home on the AppleTV, so I need to find a solutions for these two play options.
For YouTube, I will try all the different video formats in PD since YouTube seems to be relatively flexible what format the videos are uploaded in. Maybe somebody else on this forum was successful with YouTube versions already, so I don't have to go through this ordeal.
For AppleTV, my best option so far is to create a MP4 video with 1080p, 30fps in PD and then run it through HandBrake with the standard preset for AppleTV. This creates a smooth video for the AppleTV, but the resolution is only 960x544. I will play with other settings in PD and HandBrake to take advantage of my camcorder 1080p60 resolution.
Another option is to return the Panasonic HDC-TM90 (I only got it a week ago) and get a different camera or camcorder with 1080p video that would render without any problems. But I wouldn't know which one to get that doesn't have these problems. Aside from the Panasonic camcorder I already tried the Sony camera DSC-HX9V, which also records in 1080p60 leading to the same problems. And I also tried the Canon camera SX230, which records in 1080p24 QuickTime format. The Canon video provided the best results on the AppleTV without using HandBrake, probably because of the native 24fps, but was worse on YouTube.
Hi FredB.
I already tried shooting at 17Mbps, which on the Panasonic TM90 is the 1080/60i format. Unfortunately, this still led to jerky video on YouTube ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MNg-XkjkfQ ) and to even worse AppleTV version. And the picture quality was worse. I got the Panasonic camcorder to make 1080p videos, so I hope to find a rendering solution where I don't degrade the quality.
Regards,
Jack
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Hi pjc3.
I'm not a Mac user but I use iTunes, so AppleTV is perfect for me. I also don't want to need to keep the PC on for streaming, hence WDTV won't work for me.
I tried to output first to the HD before uploading to YouTube, but no luck. I have created a MPEG-4, 1080p with 30fps (following the profile recommendations from YouTube: http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/static.py?hl=en&topic=1728573&guide=1728585&page=guide.cs ) and then uploaded to YouTube manually. There is still, however, the jerkiness and skipping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmKuyL9hx9E
How do you create videos for YouTube from your 1080p60 material? If you don't output to YouTube, what format do you produce your videos in?
And can you create a skipping-free video from the file I have uploaded?
Regards,
Jack
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Hi FredB.
Sorry about the link. I'm going to watch for the monkeys. ;
The file is only 6 seconds long, but since it's 1080p60, it's 27 Mbps. With the AVHCD compression it ends up being then "only" 22.4MB.
EDIT (didn't see your second message before):
My video is recorded to the internal memory of the Panasonic camcorder, so the write speed shouldn't be an issue.
Are you saying that PD10 is not able to render 60fps videos? Are you aware of any other video editing software that can handle it?
Regards,
Jack
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Dafydd,
I have uploaded a shorter source file.
As for the 24fps profile, I need this for the AppleTV version of the video. Below are Apple's requirements for the AppleTV (1st generation). You can find them here as well: http://support.apple.com/kb/SP19. Just to check it, I changed the profile to 30fps, but as expected, iTunes, which acts as conduit to AppleTV, doesn't copy the video to AppleTV since it "cannot be played on this AppleTV".
H.264
Up to 5 Mbps
Progressive Main Profile (CAVLC)
maximum resolution: 1280 by 720 pixels at 24 fps
AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps
.m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
Also, please keep in mind that I render two different versions of the video:
1. one for AppleTV (720p, 24fps) and
2. one for YouTube (Full HD, uploaded directly within PD, I don't know exactly what settings PD is using, but the file created by PD is a wmv file with 1920x1080 resolution at 29 fps, with a data rate of 10Mbps).
FredB,
I turned off "Enable HD video processing (shadow file)" and created a new YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STZ8XevvE8Q. As you can see, there is no difference, the video is still jerky and drops frames.
Regards,
Jack
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Hi Xerox.
You probably meant that you downloaded my file, not Berto2002's. But anyway, I always have ""Enable HD video processing (shadow file)" turned on. And playing the clips smoothly on the timeline or from the media room is no longer an issue after I have turned off HW acceleration (both OpenCL and decoding).
What is still an issue is the rendered video for AppleTV and for YouTube, which is still jerky and skips frames.
Regards,
Jack
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Thanks, FredB. Unfortunately, I don't have a short clip handy, so I have uploaded a 35s clip, which was also the source for the video posted on YouTube. It's 106MB, so if this is too long and too big I can record a shorter clip tomorrow during day light (it's evening and dark now here where I am).
Regards,
Jack
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Hi FredB.
Yes, I have published to YouTube directly from inside PD10 as 1920x1080 using the Full HD standard setting. As I mentioned in the original post, I render the video twice: once for AppleTV and once for YouTube. In other words, the video uploaded to YouTube is not re-rendered, it is uploaded straight from PD10.
Regards,
Jack
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Hi Rob.
It looks like your issue was with skipped videos when editing them in PowerDirector and you were able to correct this by disabling hardware acceleration. Did you have any issues with the produced videos? In other words, was PowerDirector able to render your 1080p50 AVCHD videos in the format you wanted without any skipping? If yes, what format did you produce your video in?
I hope your answers will help with my issue: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/20619.page.
Regards,
Jack
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Thanks, FredB. Unfortunately, your recommendations helped only with the jerkiness and skipped frames within PowerDirector.
I have updated the video drivers directly from Nvidia, turned off HW acceleration (both OpenCL and decoding), and changed the settings in the preview window to full HD. Now when I play clips in the Edit mode, whether from the timeline or from the media room, they are played in the full HD resolution and don't skip.
However, the rendered video for AppleTV and for YouTube is still jerky and skips frames. The video for YouTube, which was created without the HW acceleration is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCP22KsvBCY. I tried also to disable the fast video rendering technology, which is the HW video encoder for MPEG-4 videos, when producing the video for AppleTV, but it leads to the same jerkiness.
Do you have any other ideas on how to eliminate the jerkiness of the videos? Should I count on PowerDirector to render the AVCHD 1080/60p videos in the formats I need?
By the way, I always copy the videos from the camera to the internal drive using Windows' "Import pictures and videos".
Regards,
Jack
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Hi Berto2002.
You and I may have the same problem. Although I don't have much sound on the videos I have tested and hence cannot test the out-of-sync between video and audio, the clips skip a lot when playing from the timeline and the video is very grainy. But my clips skip also when played from the media room, although the video quality is full HD when played from the media room.
Regards,
Jack
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Is PowerDirector 10 capable of editing video material that is recorded in AVCHD 1080/60p? Using this material I only get jerky videos where it looks like a frame or two is lost or skipped randomly every few seconds. Before I used only video material recorded in 720p AVCHD-Lite where I didn't have these problems.
I'm using two cameras with the AVCHD 1080/60p recording format: Sony camera DSC-HX9V (with SanDisk Extreme Pro SDHC card rated at 95MB/s) and Panasonic camcorder HDC-TM90 (with internal memory). I have tested and edited now many shots with both cameras, but every time the result is a jerky video.
I produce two versions of the videos:
1. MPEG-4 custom setting for Apple TV (1st generation): 1280 by 720 pixels at 24 fps, Progressive Main Profile (CAVLC), 6000 kbps
2. PowerDirector 10 standard settings for YouTube with full HD (1920x1080)
Both versions have the jerky video. You can see the YouTube version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cZcBLnYro0. Just in case I also created a 1280x720 version for YouTube (using PowerDirector 10 standard settings) but it's the same problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdnQ6RkuGJg.
To get a decent version of the video for AppleTV I have created a best quality MPEG-4 version (using PowerDirector 10 standard settings) and then run it through HandBrake (version 0.9.4) with the AppleTV presets. This video dosn't have any jerkiness when watched on AppleTV but it's only in the format 960x544. When I change the format to 1280x720 in HandBrake I get again a jerky video.
So, is PowerDirector10 capable of editing 1080/60p AVCHD videos? I understand that the 1080/60p AVCHD format is relatively new, so I wonder if PowerDirector10 is not supporting this format.
I'm looking forward to any tips on how to produce smooth 1080p videos for YouTube and 720p for AppleTV using AVCHD 1080/60p source material.
Here are the details about my system:
1. Which operating system do you use, W7, Vista, XP?
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
2. Which version of PD
PowerDirector Ultra 10.0.0.1129a
Since my PC supports both OpenGL as well as NVIDIA CUDA, I have enabled both hardware acceleration options in the PowerDirector settings.
3. Which SR number
VDE111019-02
4. What kind of video source material used (codec / container), extension?
AVCHD 1080/60p from Sony camera DSC-HX9V (with SanDisk Extreme Pro SDHC card rated at 95MB/s) and Panasonic camcorder HDC-TM90 (with internal memory)
5. A detailed step by step description of the problem
see description above
6. What anti-virus solution is installed on your PC?
Norton Internet Security 2012
7. What codec packs installed? See PD's Readme html file
I couldn't find the Readme file, but initially I didn't have any special codecs installed. I just installed the DivX codec but there is no change with the jerky videos.
8. What other video editing programs are installed - just in case there is a software conflict.
none
9. What burning software is installed on your PC?
Nero 7 Essentials, which came with the PC, but I never used it
10. What type of blank disk was used, if you have a burning create issue?
I'm not burning
11. What background processes / programs running (especially important for problems with the burning)?
Windows Explorer, Firefox, and iTunes, but I have the same problem when these programs are not running
12. Provide the dxdiag log file as an attachment, see Part B below
see attached
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