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DaveN97 [Avatar]
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I am editing a presentation where I sometimes add and remove portions, for example a portion of a slideshow.
I made a couple cuts and removed a segment. Some time later I want to restore the content.
The content is still in the source clip, but is trimed out in the timeline.

I found some answers on this forum for earlier versions but they don't seem to work in PD16.
Also, is there a recommended technique for making a cut so it can be easily restored?

Thanks!

PS: What might be really helpful is a timeline with sections that can be enabled/disabled.
Just like one enables/disables slides in a PowerPoint presentation...

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optodata
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I'm not sure which kinds of edits you saw in older PD versions that didn't work in PD16, but generally the only things that change for timeline edits is the location or group where the various tools are located. Functionality is usually added, not removed.

With regard to your question, there are several way to do what you're looking for, and all are probably easier to do if you plan ahead.

Lets say you're making a video for each season, so you'll have the same prject "backbone" but want to change the specifics. One way to do this is to create separate, identical projects with the content replaced by the specific clips for each season. You would insert the desired one as a nested project on the main project's timeline so the nested Spring project's content would be used when producing the Spring video.

Another way to do this is to assign one track for Spring, one for Summer, etc. and then lay out all your specialized clips one below the other. When you want to produce the Autumn project, deselect the other 3 seasons and only the Fall content will be used.
DaveN97 [Avatar]
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Quote I'm not sure which kinds of edits you saw in older PD versions that didn't work in PD16


See https://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/38275.page.

Thanks, but do you have an answer for my main question?
How to I restore a section I cut out???
Thanks!
optodata
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Maybe I completely misread your question. You're talking about cuts - which means to trim the length of a clip and prevent sections before/after the desired scene from being seen - but the linked post was discussing crops, which is where sections of the screen content are cut out/zoomed in on.

If all you need is to change the duration of a clip (and/or change where the starting/ending points are), you can simply drag the starting or ending edge of the clip until the desired content appears. You can also use the Duration tool and set exactly where the starting/ending markers are. The Duration tool is a little easier if you're looking to shift the start & end time times by the same amount to move the "time window" but otherwise keep the duration the same.

Note that if you change the duration in any way, all other timeline content to the right of the clip you're working with will be affected so you may want to move that clip all the way to the right edge of the timeline to get the content right, then move it back and adjust the nearby content as needed.
DaveN97 [Avatar]
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Quote Maybe I completely misread your question. You're talking about cuts - which means to trim the length of a clip and prevent sections before/after the desired scene from being seen - but the linked post was discussing crops, which is where sections of the screen content are cut out/zoomed in on.


Sorry if I used the wrong term, and I did mean what you call "crops" (though I thought crop was dimensional adjustment).
I am talking about removing a few-second segment in the middle of a clip (Crop?),
and later needing restore it.
optodata
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We seem to be missing each other's meanings. A crop is a "dimensional adjustment." That's what the post you linked to was about, but that's not what we want to discuss here.

Let's say you have an existing timeline clip and someone sneezed so you want cut/trim that section out, but you know in the future you'll want to restore that missing section. That's what you're looking to do, right?

As long as you trim the clip using the Multi-Trim tab in the Trim tool (I accidently called it Duration), you can open it again at a later point and make the desired changes easily. Hit the <F1> key when you have the Trim tool open to see the details in PD's Help file.

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DaveN97 [Avatar]
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Quote
As long as you trim the clip using the Multi-Trim tab in the Trim tool (I accidently called it Duration), you can open it again at a later point and make the desired changes easily. Hit the F1 key when you have the Trim tool open to see the details in PD's Help file.


Ah Ha! I found the well-hidden trim tool...
Right-click on the clip >> Edit Video/Image >> Trim...
Any previous cutting and trimming can be adjusted or removed using the trim tool multi-trim tab.
Works regardless of whether original trimming was done with the trim tool or simply trimmed on the timeline.

Thanks @optodata for the hint!

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DaveN97 [Avatar]
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Unfortunately I spoke too soon.
Multi-trims seem to dissappear into a set of disconnected segments, with no way to undo the cuts.
And I cannot figure out how to get the UI to do what seem terribly simple and necessary things:

1) Introduce a cut and remove a section (for example a sentenceX) in the middle of a clip.
2) Come back later and restore the removed segment.

Aaaarrrgggggg......

PS: Yes, I did read the help, and look at some tutorials, but I cannot get PD16 to do what I need...

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I have had to restore previous edited projects to work on and was able to do so by going to the autosave folder, looking at the dates and project sizes.and then load only the ones with a slightly smaller project size and the date where I want to start. This can be easy as I tend to keep notes as I usually work on more than one project at a time. My autosave is set at the default of every 10 minutes so I have a lot to choose from.

This may be something that can help if one did not save a project after each major editing change with an added suffix in the file name.
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Quote I have had to restore previous edited projects to work on and was able to do so by going to the autosave folder...


I make frequent backups, but that does not address my requirement.
I need to come back after some time and restore a removed section, eliminating the surrounding cuts.
I do NOT want to revert all the other edits as would happen from a backup.

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Hi,

As far as I am aware there is no "automatic" way to restore a cut segment - but there are a couple of manual ways, already mentioned. The easiest way to describe it is to take a single clip, split it before the segment to be removed, split it at the end of the segment to be removed. Result 3 clips.

Remove the segment clip 2.
By dragging to another location
By remove and fill gap
By remove and fill and move clips
etc

The remaining clips 1 and 3 are what is required.

Return later because the removed segment clip 2 is required again.

Principle 1
Make a gap by dragging either 1 or 3 left or right
Extend the right hand edge of 1 forwards to "recover" the cut segment clip 2
or
Extend the left hand edge of 3 backwards to "recover" the cut segment clip 2

Principle 2
If the segment clip 2 is "stored" at another location - say a disabled track 10,acting as a bin
Then insert it back at the split between clips 1 and 2.

Of course, this is easy on a simple single track project but likely to be way more complex on a multi-track project, although the principle is the same.

Would this help the issue?

Cheers
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DaveN97 [Avatar]
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Thanks for the suggestion, but that would be way too complicated for a moderate-sized project with a lot of adjustments...
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Quote I am editing a presentation where I sometimes add and remove portions, for example a portion of a slideshow.
I made a couple cuts and removed a segment. Some time later I want to restore the content.


This thread seems to have become more complicated that it needs to be, or I just don't get what you mean either.

If you cut out a section of a clip on a track, you can easily restore it at any time. Optodata actually mentioned how in one of his responses.

So for example, if you cut out a segment, like in example1.jpg, you just need to drag the edge of one of the segments to re-fill the gap (example2.jpg). Next, you can then select both segments, and then right click and then click Combine to restore the clip fully (example 3).

Let me know if this is what you wanted.

Ash
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DaveN97 [Avatar]
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Quote ...you can then select both segments, and then right click and then click Combine to restore the clip fully (example 3).


Thanks Ash for the help, but when I select the two segments, the "Combine" choice is always grayed out and unavailable...
optodata
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Using Combine isn't necessary. As long as they're in contact, PD will simply produce the sequential clips as if they were one, anyway.

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JL_JL [Avatar]
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Quote Thanks Ash for the help, but when I select the two segments, the "Combine" choice is always grayed out and unavailable...

If you can't combine, it simply means the two parts of the clip are not the original continuous clip. Might be missing just a frame and rather unnoticeable when produced perhaps, but the two pieces are discontinuous.

In Ash's simple example, the issue occurs when you slide the right part of the cut video to the left part, now one has lost the duration of the removed piece. I sometimes need to recover a section of a video that was removed, it is a tedious process but can often be done very effectively with sync by audio to recover the exact piece and duration that was removed. When added back in, "Combine" does combine as it should as pieces are truly continuous.

Jeff
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