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Threadripper 1950x / Ryzen 2700x or Intel 8700K?
IgorTFerreira [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil Joined: Jul 06, 2016 22:59 Messages: 11 Offline
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I have intel 4790k, 32gb of 1600mhz DDR3 + 512gb Samsung EVO 850 SSD
I have quick synk enable.
I'm using powerdirector 16 for daily video edition (usually 1080p files)

My timeline only works without droped frames if i reencode the videofiles with powerdirector (both x264 or x265 formats)
I'm considering to upgrade my machine to a Threadripper 1950x / Ryzen 2700x or 8700K, but i can't find any benchmarks or user experience about any of those chips.

Anyone have any experience (good or bad) with 1950x or 1st generation of Ryzen on PD16? Does anyone knows if they can do a better job than intel lasted chip with quick sync enable (can't find benchmarks of 8700k with quick sync working on 8700k)>

Thanks
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I do not understand CPU with 6 cores being better than another with 8 cores. it may be magic or AMD engineers are running behind.

One should also consider that the producer or sympathizer will say that their product is better.

http://hwbench.com/cpus/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-vs-intel-core-i7-8700k

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700/3937vsm470612

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2018/03/26/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-review-leak-faster-than-core-i7-8700k-and-ryzen-7-1800x/#697e68414d1e

See a recent analysis on the topic https://turbofuture.com/computers/cpuprocessors

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GGRussell [Avatar]
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Also be aware that some user benchmarks are from overclockers, too. That middle link: Intel had 51K user benchmarks. While the Ryzen only had 2! Not a very comprehensive comparison.

Personally, I have only had two Intel CPUs in my lifetime. Not impressed with the price/performance cost, but I've had fewer crashes (still get occsaional Win10 'green screen'). I have been seriuosly thinking about Threadripper V2 later this year. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA
IgorTFerreira [Avatar]
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My question is about the best processor specificaly for powerdirector, that gives me more performance on timeline editing, with multiple tracks and effects - the encoding time isn't very important - i think intel on that area, with quicksync ON could be the winner.

- Witch one can handle the timeline better for 1080p h264/h265 sources, Threadripper 1950x / Ryzen 2700x or Intel 8700k (with quicksync enable)?

Thanks for the previous answers...
GGRussell [Avatar]
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Quote My question is about the best processor specificaly for powerdirector, that gives me more performance on timeline editing, with multiple tracks and effects - the encoding time isn't very important - i think intel on that area, with quicksync ON could be the winner.

- Witch one can handle the timeline better for 1080p h264/h265 sources, Threadripper 1950x / Ryzen 2700x or Intel 8700k (with quicksync enable)?

Thanks for the previous answers...
Threadripper and Ryzen 2700x doesn't have a built in GPU like the 8700. You would need a Video Card. Prehaps compare 8700 Quicksync vs. nVidia or AMD GPU?

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Gary Russell -- TN USA
IgorTFerreira [Avatar]
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I should keep the AMD R290x for a little longer.. i'm interesring in raw performance of the processor in timeline editing...
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Since PowerDirector takes advantage of GPU, not sure how you can compare just CPU power alone without having two computers side by side and running a test with PowerDirector. Perhaps someone here with those CPUs can do that. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA
IgorTFerreira [Avatar]
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Quote Since PowerDirector takes advantage of GPU, not sure how you can compare just CPU power alone without having two computers side by side and running a test with PowerDirector. Perhaps someone here with those CPUs can do that.


Hi GGRussell, i asked some people and most of them said that i woudn't get a real performance jump upgrating my graphics card on powerdirecto. My question is about editing performance of the processor, like adding multiple tracks, video effects, transitions and can preview them faster in the timeline to enhance the edition.

What i noted on my processor (4790k, very close to yours):
- If i encode using quicksync ON of the processor, i get great speed, about 2 or 3x faster than OpenGL from AMD R290 video card, but i don't get that much of performance increase in timeline editing (Quicksync ON makes things a little faster, but not by much), sometimes i get it suttering, specialy when i have heavy project on it... I think a powerfull processor can help on that specific area (editing, not encoding). i found several reviews where ThreadRipper beats Ryzen and Intel fasted processors on DaVinc Resolve and Adobe Premiere, but can't find a single one about powerdirector...

I talked with some other people and they said me that even a 1080Ti woudn't make too much difference in editing of powerdirector compared to my R290x...

What i'm saying: i belive processor upgrade should enhance the performance of powerdirector, my question is: witch one is the best: 8700k, threadripper 1950x or Ryzen 1700x or 2700x.

Would be great to read some comment from threadripper owners that use powerdirector...
jmone
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FWIW - I went 8700K as it can clock higher than the others. This can be important for apps that are single threaded. For me one of my applications is to do real time transocoding for streaming video to devices over DLNA, the the library that does this is single core for some transcoding tasks. The 8700K does this very well with the exception of 4k HEVC(H265) high Frame Rate (60p) material, even overlocked it just fails to be powerful enough to steam without pauses. Apart from that any upto date CPU and GPU should server you well for PD. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
IgorTFerreira [Avatar]
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Quote FWIW - I went 8700K as it can clock higher than the others. This can be important for apps that are single threaded. For me one of my applications is to do real time transocoding for streaming video to devices over DLNA, the the library that does this is single core for some transcoding tasks. The 8700K does this very well with the exception of 4k HEVC(H265) high Frame Rate (60p) material, even overlocked it just fails to be powerful enough to steam without pauses. Apart from that any upto date CPU and GPU should server you well for PD.


jmone
Thanks for sharing your experience !
GGRussell [Avatar]
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From all the reviews I've read, Intel CPUs have always done better on single thread apps/processes. Personally I find it odd that this day and age, those still exist. however, PowerDirector is multi threaded and should take advantage of all cores/threads regardless of which brand you choose. Could just depend on your budget or how much you are willing to spend.

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Gary Russell -- TN USA
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Your R9 290x video card is worth 2 of my R9 270 as I saw it here.
http://www.hwcompare.com/16550/radeon-r9-270-vs-radeon-r9-290x/
Want to improve timeline editing on PD16.
You upgraded video drivers, realized that you can not use HA for interlaced fullhd videos and the editing got heavy on the timeline.
Here I returned to the last drive that runs HA July 2017.
non-whql-win7-64bit-radeon-software-crimson-relive-17.7.1-july10
Enable Open CL improves editing primarily with effects on the timeline.
If there is something different, type uses the current drive with no problems please let me know, Thanks
As for the CPUs, its got 8 colors the other one has 12, PD16 uses all to render in this case will be 50% better.
But for application that uses 1 core your current CPU should be better clock is higher as I see here http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K/ 3937vs2384 AMD-FX 8350 / 8GB DDR3
SSD SUV400S37240G / 2-HD WD 1TB
AMD Radeon R9 270 / AOC M2470SWD
Windows 7-64 / PD16 Ultimate
IgorTFerreira [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil Joined: Jul 06, 2016 22:59 Messages: 11 Offline
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Quote Your R9 290x video card is worth 2 of my R9 270 as I saw it here.
http://www.hwcompare.com/16550/radeon-r9-270-vs-radeon-r9-290x/
Want to improve timeline editing on PD16.
You upgraded video drivers, realized that you can not use HA for interlaced fullhd videos and the editing got heavy on the timeline.
Here I returned to the last drive that runs HA July 2017.
non-whql-win7-64bit-radeon-software-crimson-relive-17.7.1-july10
Enable Open CL improves editing primarily with effects on the timeline.
If there is something different, type uses the current drive with no problems please let me know, Thanks
As for the CPUs, its got 8 colors the other one has 12, PD16 uses all to render in this case will be 50% better.
But for application that uses 1 core your current CPU should be better clock is higher as I see here http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K/ 3937vs2384


Thanks for your reply PlaySound!
I'm using mostly multi-thread programs (specialy PowerDirector).
I removed the lasted AMD driver and reinstall the old one you suggested, i think i got a better timeline editing with it! thanks a lot! but it isn't sufficient for multitrack projects, i still get a lot o suttering from GoPro 1080p videos. I'm really considering a 2700x or at TR1950x (maybe threadripper 2).
Thanks again!
IgorTFerreira [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil Joined: Jul 06, 2016 22:59 Messages: 11 Offline
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In December 2018 i got a 2700x + EVGA 1080Ti
What i can say: MUCH FASTER than 4790k+290x... I think it's 2 or 3 times faster, the powerdirector timeline is much smoother...
i really recommend that kind of upgrade...
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Quote In December 2018 i got a 2700x + EVGA 1080Ti
What i can say: MUCH FASTER than 4790k+290x... I think it's 2 or 3 times faster, the powerdirector timeline is much smoother...
i really recommend that kind of upgrade...


This is the closest thing I've seen to an actual AMD hardware review for PowerDirector.

However, the real question still remains: Was it the video card or the CPU that made the most difference?

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