Effects on generated clips

Jon O

Newbie Joined: Mar 05, 2018 11:16 Messages: 5 Offline

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Mar 05, 2018 18:59

I've been lurking for a while and have found many answers to my questions by pawing through these forums. Thanks!

I have a feeling the answer to this is no, but I'm finding one major issue that I can't seem to get around...

In all the other products I had been testing, effects can be applied to a generated track and are specific to that track. For instance a Wind effect could be applied to a title track and the text would warp appropriately. I never even considered that PowerDirector would not work this way (I purchased the Director Suite not realizing this.) Currently any effects I add apply to all layers if the effect is dropped on a text clip. I have seen a few mentions in this forum of making a separate project, rendering just the title, then importing the video. Yes, this would work but it completely nullifies the point of a title generator if I can't edit it as the project moves along.

Am I missing something or is there currently a major limitation here?

Thanks much

Jon

PlaySound

Senior Contributor Joined: Dec 02, 2010 10:26 Messages: 2031 Offline

Mar 06, 2018 06:34

Quote I've been lurking for a while and have found many answers to my questions by pawing through these forums. Thanks!

I have a feeling the answer to this is no, but I'm finding one major issue that I can't seem to get around...

In all the other products I had been testing, effects can be applied to a generated track and are specific to that track. For instance a Wind effect could be applied to a title track and the text would warp appropriately. I never even considered that PowerDirector would not work this way (I purchased the Director Suite not realizing this.) Currently any effects I add apply to all layers if the effect is dropped on a text clip. I have seen a few mentions in this forum of making a separate project, rendering just the title, then importing the video. Yes, this would work but it completely nullifies the point of a title generator if I can't edit it as the project moves along.

Am I missing something or is there currently a major limitation here?

Thanks much

Jon

I do not know if I understand your question.
In PD you can add text in any video track
New PD16, can add many FX tracks, should be below the track that is with text that wants to give the effect.
The effect can also be applied directly to the text block, in which case you do not need to add track FX.
In PD and unlike other editors, the lower track always overlaps the top track

Jon O

Newbie Joined: Mar 05, 2018 11:16 Messages: 5 Offline

Mar 06, 2018 09:23

Thanks for the reply. I went ahead and started creating a set of repro steps to show the issue. In doing so what I found is that some of the title templates work fine and some don't. I think the basic titles work and the ones with anything but text dont.

Using the sample files, drop kite surfing onto V1. Then a simple text title onto the title track. If you drag "blur" onto the title track you see the title text blur nicely leaving the V1 video alone.

If you do the exact same thing except pick any of the title templates with a non-text object ( general linear circle for instance ) you will see that the entire video from V1 is suddenly blurred.

Even if internally CyberLink is doing a chroma-key to generate the mask for these object/text layers or something like that they would still have one to send to the effect engine.

This looks like a bug to me. What do you think?

Thanks

Jon

Quote

Quote I've been lurking for a while and have found many answers to my questions by pawing through these forums. Thanks!

I have a feeling the answer to this is no, but I'm finding one major issue that I can't seem to get around...

In all the other products I had been testing, effects can be applied to a generated track and are specific to that track. For instance a Wind effect could be applied to a title track and the text would warp appropriately. I never even considered that PowerDirector would not work this way (I purchased the Director Suite not realizing this.) Currently any effects I add apply to all layers if the effect is dropped on a text clip. I have seen a few mentions in this forum of making a separate project, rendering just the title, then importing the video. Yes, this would work but it completely nullifies the point of a title generator if I can't edit it as the project moves along.

Am I missing something or is there currently a major limitation here?

Thanks much

Jon

I do not know if I understand your question.
In PD you can add text in any video track
New PD16, can add many FX tracks, should be below the track that is with text that wants to give the effect.
The effect can also be applied directly to the text block, in which case you do not need to add track FX.
In PD and unlike other editors, the lower track always overlaps the top track

PlaySound

Senior Contributor Joined: Dec 02, 2010 10:26 Messages: 2031 Offline

Mar 06, 2018 14:33

Quote Thanks for the reply. I went ahead and started creating a set of repro steps to show the issue. In doing so what I found is that some of the title templates work fine and some don't. I think the basic titles work and the ones with anything but text dont.

Using the sample files, drop kite surfing onto V1. Then a simple text title onto the title track. If you drag "blur" onto the title track you see the title text blur nicely leaving the V1 video alone.

If you do the exact same thing except pick any of the title templates with a non-text object ( general linear circle for instance ) you will see that the entire video from V1 is suddenly blurred.

Even if internally CyberLink is doing a chroma-key to generate the mask for these object/text layers or something like that they would still have one to send to the effect engine.

This looks like a bug to me. What do you think?

Thanks
Jon

In your case add the effect inside Title Desingner
2 click text block, select the title, the left side has the options Blur, shadow, border, etc

Jon O

Newbie Joined: Mar 05, 2018 11:16 Messages: 5 Offline

Mar 06, 2018 18:40

This is technically correct, but let me try to make the point again...

I can drag any one of over 150 effects onto some of the title clips and get the effect applied to the title clip, just like a clipart object on a track. Some of those effects have hundreds of variations, and I can stack effects for even more intersting combinations - literally millions of them.

For other title clips I can have a drop shadow, reflection, or motion blur applied only to part of it. There is no way to know which is which without trying to guess if the title is using particle effects (I think this is what breaks it.)

So for some titles the effect is applied properly to the clip when the effect is dragged to the clip and for others it is not. This looks very much like a bug.

There are great examples of why you would want effects on title clips. Try wind, rays, water, etc. - but only do it on text only titles because it doesn't work right on the others.

Jon

Quote

Quote Thanks for the reply. I went ahead and started creating a set of repro steps to show the issue. In doing so what I found is that some of the title templates work fine and some don't. I think the basic titles work and the ones with anything but text dont.

Using the sample files, drop kite surfing onto V1. Then a simple text title onto the title track. If you drag "blur" onto the title track you see the title text blur nicely leaving the V1 video alone.

If you do the exact same thing except pick any of the title templates with a non-text object ( general linear circle for instance ) you will see that the entire video from V1 is suddenly blurred.

Even if internally CyberLink is doing a chroma-key to generate the mask for these object/text layers or something like that they would still have one to send to the effect engine.

This looks like a bug to me. What do you think?

Thanks
Jon

In your case add the effect inside Title Desingner
2 click text block, select the title, the left side has the options Blur, shadow, border, etc