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PD14 Interlacing Problems - Drone Aerial Video Footage SOLVED
gasjkh3 [Avatar]
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Hi All

I am trying to remove interlacing in my Phantom 3 Pro drone video footage. Everything edits and produces fine via PD14 and CD4 but I keep seeing interlacing on produced dvds played back through my dvd player. It ruins the video.

Please can someone advise what to do to remove this.

Thanks in advnace.

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gasjkh3 [Avatar]
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Thanks Longedge for the reply.
When you say produce, can you please explain as I am learning all this for the 1st time. The file produces fine via PD14 or appears to. I have tried MPEG2. H.264 and the others to no avail, when I then write it to the dvd disc, and play back via the dvd player, it all goes Pete Tong with the horrible interlacing.

Can someone give me some basic guidelines please.
I record either in 4K with the Phantom 3 or 1080 normally. BASIC SETTINGS to produce the file via PD14 from someone would be good? I also use CD4 to colour grade the video.

Should I produce a file in PD14, save it on the C drive in a certain format and then get something like Image Burn to write it to the dvd disk? Should I be using blue ray discs instead as the format is higher quality that dvd?

Thanks in advance for everyone helps as this forum has helped me massively to learn PD and I do not want to give up on PD14 now. FYI, I used to use PD9 before upgrading to PDF14 AND 4k video and it worked fine!

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Carl312
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Quote: Thanks Longedge for the reply.
When you say produce, can you please explain as I am learning all this for the 1st time. The file produces fine via PD14 or appears to. I have tried MPEG2. H.264 and the others to no avail, when I then write it to the dvd disc, and play back via the dvd player, it all goes Pete Tong with the horrible interlacing.

Can someone give me some basic guidelines please.
I record either in 4K with the Phantom 3 or 1080 normally. BASIC SETTINGS to produce the file via PD14 from someone would be good? I also use CD4 to colour grade the video.

Should I produce a file in PD14, save it on the C drive in a certain format and then get something like Image Burn to write it to the dvd disk? Should I be using blue ray discs instead as the format is higher quality that dvd?

Thanks in advance for everyone helps as this forum has helped me massively to learn PD and I do not want to give up on PD14 now. FYI, I used to use PD9 before upgrading to PDF14 AND 4k video and it worked fine!
A DVD video is standard definition (720x480/576 @ about 8 Mbps) NTSC/PAL.

When you take a 4K file and reduce by about 6 times the interlacing is very plain to see. You can reduce that by pre-producing to a lower resoloution before using it to create a DVD Video. Produce to MPEG-2 720x480 @8 Mbps (there is a default profile in Powerdirector).

DVD Video Spec: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

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Hi Carl 312, understand what you are saying but not sure how to do it ref "pre-producing to a lower resolution". Can you explain to me please how I go about doing it?

Longedge - you got me thinking, sometimes I do not need to store on a DVD. I am thinking of investing in a blue ray re-writer on my PC as this would help I assume ref improving 4K or 1080 video quality (I have a Panasonic TV that can upscale DVDs to 1080 also), but I assume your comment is suggesting I store my video on the cloud or memory stick etc?

Problem I have is my broadband is so slow where I live that uploading would take for ever!!!
Carl312
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Quote: Hi Carl 312, understand what you are saying but not sure how to do it ref "pre-producing to a lower resolution". Can you explain to me please how I go about doing it?

Longedge - you got me thinking, sometimes I do not need to store on a DVD. I am thinking of investing in a blue ray re-writer on my PC as this would help I assume ref improving 4K or 1080 video quality (I have a Panasonic TV that can upscale DVDs to 1080 also), but I assume your comment is suggesting I store my video on the cloud or memory stick etc?

Problem I have is my broadband is so slow where I live that uploading would take for ever!!!
Wiith your edited 4K file from your drone, go to produce, select MPEG-2, choose the DVD HQ (720x480/60i) profile, then click Start to produce. That will create a DVD HQ (720x480/60i) file. Use that produced file to create your DVD.

If you play that DVD HQ file, I think you will find it plays smooth without the interlacing lines showing.

Powerdirector is not so great at rendering a 4K file down to a DVD HQ file at the same time it is burning a DVD. Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

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Thanks Carl, I will try these exact settings now.
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Just tried Carl and the trees and horizon is still interlaced.

Having done a quick google, it appears PD struggles with burning 4K/1080 to a dvd ref interlacing so might try one of the free bits of software such as GoPro Studio?

Would a blu ray rerwriter make a difference?

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Carl312
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Quote: Just tried Carl and the trees and horizon is still interlaced.

Having done a quick google, it appears PD struggles with burning 4K/1080 to a dvd ref interlacing so might try one of the free bits of software such as GoPro Studio?

Would a blu ray rerwriter make a difference?
Too Bad, I have hoped that rendering the video would solve the interlacing problem.

As to a Bluray, you can put Full HD on a Bluray, (1920x1080p), I do not think the 4K bluray has be done yet, It is supposed to be in the works

Edit: I checked online, there are 4K bluray players, I do not know if any 4K Burners yet.

http://www.blu-ray.com/4k/

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UPDATE

I reloaded PD9 Ultimate and the file burnt fine with no interlacing or pixelation, so why is that??
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gasjkh3, I've been watching how this thread worked out as I wondered, from your initial description, whether what you were observing was caused by frame-order reversal but I didn't want to jump in if I was wide of the mark.

Frame-order reversal appears as a 'tearing' effect on any objects that are moving horizontally in the frame and as it's name implies it is caused by the interlaced frames being played back in the wrong order.

I encountered this problem with PD9 after I had applied one of the update patches. There is no facility provided in the MPEG-2 configuration settings to set the frame order and I eventually resolved it by re-installing the unpatched program from my retail CD. What you have just described sounds rather similar. I posted a query on this forum at the time but no-one else appeared to have experienced this so I never found out what had caused it and I avoided installing any patches thereafter. Regards,
Mike

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Hi Fenman, I will try to explain in detail as you might be correct in your assumption.

1. PD14 Ultimate edits fine,with no problems, CD4 colour grades with no problems
2. After editing, I am trying to burn footage filmed by a Phantom 3 Professional drone filmed in 4K for playback on a Panasonic 4K tv via a standard 4.7 GB Verbatim dvd with a maximum write speed of x16.
3. After burning, the footage on the dvd and playing back, the tv picture looks pixelated/interlaced around the trees and any straight edges of buildings, walls etc. The roofs also playback pixelated.
4. I am trying to prevent this from happening, I have tried different Produce settings recommended on this thread to no avail. I
5. I am using ColorDirector 4 to do some very minute color corrections (white balance, hue etc).

Pulling my hair out and losing confidence with PD14!!!

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Fenman
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Hi gasjkh3, that doesn't sound like a frame-order problem as that only manifests itself on horizontally-moving objects. Your description sounds more like an encoding issue so I think Carl & Longedge have the right handle on it and they know a lot more than me about that. Regards,
Mike

Home-build system:
Intel Core i5 Quad Core 3.3GHz, 2 x 4GB DDR3 1333MHz,
Asus Nvidia GT440 1GB, 2 x Western Digital WD10EARS 1TB, 1 x Seagate ST1000DM010 1TB,
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CS2014
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Longedge... I think you have some valid questions - hope you don't hate this thread too much I'd like to see those questions answered... lol.

gas - are you sure it's an 'interlacing' issue... or is it just an appearance that every other line is missing ... sort of look to your DVD.

Does this DVD that you produced - the one that looks like it's missing every other line on playback - DOES THIS DISK look the same on other DVD players?

Longedge's and others comments are valid about producing video beyond the capability of the DVD disk you are burning to - if you MUST use a standard DVD - then there is NO BENEFIT to recording in 4k - no benefit to processing in 4k - IF... IF yo are then JUST going to burn a standard DVD.

CS

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Hi Guys - thanks for the replies and sticking with me

I have reinstalled PD9 and partial success, it produces a nice smooth video with all the transitions, no pixelation or anything.

What I did first was to convert the original 4K footage to an MP4 HD 1080 file using Easefab - success.

And I have then edited, included transitions,etc and then produced and then burnt a basic AVI file for the player/TV. This appears where the problem lies? As it plays fine on the PC but not the TV???? The TV is fine as it plays BluRay etc superbly.

So I will now try to upload the video (1st time) to You Tube as I have an account.

QUESTION - Are there any settings in PD9 I should be uploading to so as to take the benefits of 4K in Youtube etc?

Please advise how I use PD to do this and I will have a go?

Thanks guys.

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CS2014
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Did what you do - reinstalling PD9 - converting the 4K to MP4 -



(1) Did THIS (what you described above) solve what you called the 'interlacing' appearance...



(2) Do you NOW have a good looking video playing through your TV/DVD player?

CS

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gasjkh3 [Avatar]
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Hi CS2014 - The reinstallation of PD9 has produced a nice smooth video played back on the PC before burning. Yes!

I think my error was I was not converting it correctly at the beginning before importing into PD14 so I should probably reinstall PD14 once I have mastered a process that works first via PD9.

BUT I still do not have a good looking video playing through the player/TV on PD9?? Annoying me!

This is where I am stuck currently. Anybody got any ideas? I will try to upload to You Tube also in a day or so, but why will the file not burn to a dvd and playback with no pixelation on the player/TV?
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