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Robert44 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Jun 13, 2016 12:44 Messages: 20 Offline
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I am fairly new to this product and video editing in general.

I have couple of things I don't understand or have success with results:




  1. I created logo for the video. It is in PNG. Following tutorial I created template for this logo and placed it on the video. The problem is that logo is poor quality (blured) , not sharp as original image I created. I didn't resizing or anything , just inserted as is. What am I doing wrong ? How to insert logo and retain image quality ?

  2. PD14 providing selection for FPS. But videos from my older Sony video camera and Canon D500 are both 20FPS. There is no such selection in PD14. How should I proceed with that ?

  3. My Sony camera resolution is 1440x1080 but in Media info it is stated that it is 1090. There is no such resolution to select in custom settings when producing video. What to do with that ?


Hope someone will point me in right direction.

Thanks
The Shadowman
Senior Contributor Location: UK Joined: Dec 15, 2014 13:06 Messages: 1831 Offline
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Hi Robert44

For No1. It sounds like the png resolution is much lower than your video clip. You need to create a .png with the same, or very near, resolution Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
Robert44 [Avatar]
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I presume you mean pixels per inch ?
Pixels per inch is 72, so if I need to set this higher, how to know how much is enough compared to video.
The Shadowman
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Have a look here, it may help explain the problem

http://teknosrc.com/resolution-vs-pixel-density-in-displays-all-you-need-to-know/ Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,
ynotfish
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Hi Robert & Robert -

There's a little project attached that, I believe, illustrates Robert (The Shadowman)'s point about resolution. The logos used in the project are not mine. They were harvested from the net at their current resolutions. All I did was crop.

The logos range in size from 62x62px to 1022x1022px & they display very differently!



On the frame rate question, my Canon D500 (DSLR) shoots video at a pathetic 20fps too. For that reason, I don't use it to shoot video any more! That said, I have used clips from it in different projects. From my experience, if there's not too much motion or panning in the clip it will come out looking "OK" produced to 25/30fps. If there's a lot of motion/action, it probably won't look good whatever you do with it.

The 1440x1080 clips most likely display as 16:9 - yes? If so, that's because they're using non-square pixels. It's a space saving device used by some camera manufacturers. My old Canon FS10 has that option too. Produce to 1920x1080 or any of the 16:9 profiles.

Cheers - Tony
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tomasc [Avatar]
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Quote: I presume you mean pixels per inch ?
Pixels per inch is 72, so if I need to set this higher, how to know how much is enough compared to video.


The image or photo editing software that you are using is probably old when sending the result to a printer was popular. See this link for the explanation: http://www.photoshopessentials.com/essentials/the-72-ppi-web-resolution-myth/ . Resolution as explained by The Shadowman and ynotfish is the way to go.
Robert44 [Avatar]
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Sorry for not replying right away.

I don't know.......I am just trying to include logo inside video but it is still not sharp. I am doing this with Fireworks software . I created large logo with 600dpi (3500x1700px) and when I insert this into video , it is still not sharp.

I tried one of these logos that ynotfish set for download, I iused this large one 1025x1025, but again this logo is too not sharp.

I am not sure what resolution should logo have to insert it into 1920x1080 video to be clear and sharp as it is sharp when you open it with any image viewer.
Mark [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Jul 03, 2016 07:18 Messages: 1 Offline
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In Fireworks, create or scale the image to 1920x1280, then export as a 32-bit png (as opposed to Save As a Fireworks png) or other 32-bit image format - TIF, TGA, etc... Or 24-bit if not using the alpha channel.

I suspect that FW will do a better job scaling the image down than Power Director.

I am an absolute newbie with Cyberlink, so I could easily be wrong about that.
Robert44 [Avatar]
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Will try, thanks.



UPDATE: I created canvas 1920x1080 , set logo in there, which is now very very large. Then added logo to the template under titles in PD14 where actually looked ok. But after producing video, logo is not sharp, it is blurred.

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Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: Will try, thanks.



UPDATE: I created canvas 1920x1080 , set logo in there, which is now very very large. Then added logo to the template under titles in PD14 where actually looked ok. But after producing video, logo is not sharp, it is blurred.
There is only one way for us to know what are the properties of your logo, you attach it to the forum. Use Post Reply, not Quick Reply, blue attachments button below the text box.

I suspect that you do not have the resolution of your logo at 1920x1080 Pixels. DPI has no meaning for video and pictures used in video. Only the Pixel dimensions have meaning.

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ynotfish
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Hi Robert44 -

What Carl & tomasc have said is true about DPI (dots per inch). That only refers to print resolution. When you're talking about screen resolution, it's irrelevant.

Here are some links that explain all that if you're interested:

http://www.scantips.com/basics01.html

http://www.neocamera.com/article/image_size_resolution

Regarding your blurry logo: There is just no good reason why the logo would be blurred in the produced file, if due care has been taken throughout the process... unless you produced to DVD quality or a low res WMV file.

I went to the trouble of downloading FireWorks (which is now 4 years old & will never be updated), to see whether I could replicate your issue.

In FireWorks, you can save the image as a "FireWorks PNG", which retains layer information, or a "Flattened PNG". I used both methods and imported the images into PDR. The logos used are high res - between 2000px & 4000px wide - and I did no resizing. I put them alongside PNG images saved in Paint.NET and plonked them in a video.

The video was produced as AVC H.264 M2TS 3840x2160 @ 15Mbps. The logos were as crisp and clean as they were in FireWorks & Paint.NET.

You can download the produced file here - https://1drv.ms/v/s!Ar0wuD0szNpoiVQwx0aXiWOoOC9o

Carl's suggestion to attach one of your logos is a good one. There must be a reason it's coming out blurry!

Cheers - Tony
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Robert44 [Avatar]
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Hi

Ok, I uploaded this logo here:
www.project-test.info/pd14/logo1920x1080-png32-flat.png

and produced video here:
www.project-test.info/pd14/ProduceR.mp4

Video is produced with following specs
Res 1440x1080
H.264
Frame rate 23.976
Progressive
High profile
Quality mod

as you see produced video shows blurred logos

Thanks for your efforts helping me figure this out.
ynotfish
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Robert -

Thanks for uploading your logo & produced file sample.

I can't see too much wrong with the logo itself. The lettering & lines are reasonably clean. I'm a bit confused about why you produced to 1440x1080, rather than 1920x1080.

Side note to PDR snapshot observers - a snapshot of a 1440x1080 video comes out at 1440x810 (16:9)

Using a different clip, with your logo and some modified ones, I produced to 1920x1080 but couldn't see any significant difference in picture quality. BUT - the logo certainly isn't as clear using a 1440x1080 source clip & producing to 1440x1080.

Produced file here - https://1drv.ms/v/s!Ar0wuD0szNpoiVUsfBN9z8OS-iiz

The first thing I'd suggest is producing to AVC H.264 MP4 1920x1080(16Mbps) in PDR's default profiles. I think you'll get a more satisfactory result.

Cheers - Tony
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Robert44 [Avatar]
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Hi

The thing is that my original video is 1440x1080 , this is from Sony camera about 7 years old. So I thought I need to produce in this resolution.
I just produced in 1920x1080 25FPS and logo is better looking, sharper , but it is still not as sharp as original PNG file.
Is there maybe problem because my video is not 1920x1080 ?

Please take a look here:
www.project-test.info/pd14/video-logo.png
This screenshot compares your produced logo (1920) and on the right it is my produced logo (res 1440).

www.project-test.info/pd14/video-logo.png
This one compares my produced videos. On the left is logo within 1440 video, and on the right from 1920 video. It is better , but far from your produced. Your is larger and sharper.

What am I doing wrong here ?
How are you inserting logo into video ? I am creating title template, import image , save and this is it. I didn't resizing logo so far, just imported into this template.
maybe something else I need to set differently ?

What about best setting when producing video. What is best setting to make the best use of GeForce graphic card I have?

Thanks !
ynotfish
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Hi Robert -

Camera makers sometimes include 1440x1080 as a "space saving" option. My Canons do too. Those videos have non-square pixels, but the video displays as 16:9. Whenever I've recorded in that mode, I produce to 1920x1080.

Aha! You've possibly answered your own question! For whatever reason, you're inserting your logo into a title template. In the samples I made, the logo was in a separate track. Testing here, they definitely display differently. Screenshot attached.

Here's a produced file (192x1080) showing the two methods sid-by-side - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxp60P6x4uM2VF9HMEFtbGlqY0U

The only way I altered your logo was resizing in PiP Designer & Title Designer.

Cheers - Tony
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