Hi, Darp1!

I've noticed this when I used PD7, and I think it also happened in PD8. Hadn't noticed it in PD14. I don't think much can be done about it really, it might be something to do with your computer's graphics card(a wild guess), but as long as the sound's in sync with the on-screen image, and all's well when the clip is rendered(then perhaps burned to disc), then it may be just a bug you'll have to bear.... bugbear - get it! Ha-ha! Seriously, I don't think it's much of a problem as long as sound and image remain in proper synchronisation.

Cheers!

Neil.

(had to post this again after first attempt took an obscenely long time to save)

Hi Darp1,
Close PowerDirector 13,
Go to C:\Users\Your PC Name here\AppData\Roaming\CyberLink\PowerDirector\13.0\WaveForms
Delete the text files.
These are the wave forms that appear in your projects.
Go to Preferences/General, uncheck Shadow Edit File.
Open your project in PowerDirector and new wave forms will be produces, perhaps more accurate than the first time. Remember to wait until they are before starting to edit.
Perhaps the issue is a combination of Shadow file use and poor generation or just poor generation - doing both actions will help.

Without having your PC's diagnostic I'm assuming you're able to edit files without using Shadow Edit File generation/your PC is powerful enough.

Dafydd

Hi Neil,

Thanks. I went to a small project and it was synced. Had before closed and opened the 1 hour project, with no improvemnet, but right now, but after the small project opned the big one and it is synced again.



Think may know what it is. Sometimes on a long sound track the sound waves do not show all the way to the end. A possible solution is after opening a big project, wait 20 seconds or so for it to paint everything and get settled, then edit. I just did that and it seems to have solved the visual sync issue.

Quote: Hi Darp1,
Close PowerDirector 13,
Go to C:\Users\Your PC Name here\AppData\Roaming\CyberLink\PowerDirector\13.0\WaveForms
Delete the text files.
These are the wave forms that appear in your projects.
Go to Preferences/General, uncheck Shadow Edit File.
Open your project in PowerDirector and new wave forms will be produces, perhaps more accurate than the first time. Remember to wait until they are before starting to edit.
Perhaps the issue is a combination of Shadow file use and poor generation or just poor generation - doing both actions will help.

Without having your PC's diagnostic I'm assuming you're able to edit files without using Shadow Edit File generation/your PC is powerful enough.

Dafydd

Hi Dafydd,

Thanks, I will try that if it unsynced again. Think what you said relates to the fix I have so far, which is to wait 20 secs before staring editing, that if you edit while the program is still painting the sound and video tracks, the tracks get out of sync visually.



Ah one more thought, my SSD did get full and said it could not create mirror file yesterday. I erased some stuff to free up space, that could have been issue too.



-Darp

Quote: Hi Darp1,
Close PowerDirector 13,
Go to C:\Users\Your PC Name here\AppData\Roaming\CyberLink\PowerDirector\13.0\WaveForms
Delete the text files.
These are the wave forms that appear in your projects.
Go to Preferences/General, uncheck Shadow Edit File.
Open your project in PowerDirector and new wave forms will be produces, perhaps more accurate than the first time. Remember to wait until they are before starting to edit.
Perhaps the issue is a combination of Shadow file use and poor generation or just poor generation - doing both actions will help.

Without having your PC's diagnostic I'm assuming you're able to edit files without using Shadow Edit File generation/your PC is powerful enough.

Dafydd

The problem came back and have not got to go away. If I go to Edit, Preferences see no shadow file, do see "Enable HD video (shadow file), is that the one you mean?

I did erase the waveform text files. Did not seem to effect it. Did turn off shadow file and turned on and off show waveform.

The time/waveform seem synced to about 50 mins, but then the sound gets ahead of the waveform progressively worse. The movie is 59 mins at this point.

Quote: Sometimes on a long sound track the sound waves do not show all the way to the end.

Hi, Darp1!

I've also at times noticed this but it seems to be momentary. Moving the scrubber further along the timeline seems to correct the anomaly. I also note, at times, the absence of the "waveform" for the audio when dropping a clip into the PiP track(situation: two views of an event, shot with different cameras, one view goes on the master video track[Tr.1], the other goes on a PiP track[Tr.2]). I rely on audio cues to line up the two clips in order to synchronise them, I also rely on the visual representation of that sound wave to help with the syncing of the clips. On the clip laid on the PIP track, I get the sound, but not the visual representation thereof, that can cause a problem. If, for example, I'm lining up two views of a steam loco leaving a station, the sound of the "toot" is represented by a "bump" on the audio wavform, I look for the same "bump" on the waveform of the other clip(for the PiP inset) and line up the two "bumps", the visual representation allows me to line the two clips accurately. That again depends on the audio waveform being accurately synced with what's on screen, and going all the way to the end of the clip instead of vanishing part-way along. What you described, Darp, sometimes it appears that way on some shorter clips too. Have you noticed that?

Cheers!

Neil.

Perhaps dividing the project into 2 or 3 individual projects would be a good alteration to your work-flow. If you are using HD video files and your computer is "marginal" for editing, you may have a better experience with smaller projects. After your are finished editing and rendering, you can combine them easy enough. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT

Hi, Darp1!

Barry's idea has merit! I've used a similar practice. If the total length of your video may run for more than an hour(an-hour-and-a-half, perhaps), then break it down into "sequences" of, say 5 to 10 minutes each, then join them all up at the end to produce your final movie. It might just cure your situation with the waveform display being out of sync, even if the actual audio is in sync with the video.

Actually, I've taken to using this practice a lot lately, even though I don't experience the out-of-sync waveform image in PD14[though I have experienced it in PD versions 7 & 8]. It makes for an easier method of assemble-editing videos. What's more, I render each "sequence" in H.264(MP4), then, when I have all the sequences I need, join them together(dropping transitions in to segue between each sequence) then render the lot in DVD-SP MPEG2 to keep my file size down.

Cheers!
Neil.

had to alter the bracket style! 8 with ) ends up as an emoticon, thus:

Quote: Hi, Darp1!
Barry's idea has merit! I've used a similar practice. If the total length of your video may run for more than an hour(an-hour-and-a-half, perhaps), then break it down into "sequences" of, say 5 to 10 minutes each,

Breaking a lengthy video into segments is good practice and may serve as a workaround for the OP's issue, but in my opinion 5-10 minute segments on a big 60+ project would make for a confusing mess of PDS files, total overkill.

Quote: Actually, I've taken to using this practice a lot lately, even though I don't experience the out-of-sync waveform image in PD14[though I have experienced it in PD versions 7 & 8]. It makes for an easier method of assemble-editing videos. What's more, I render each "sequence" in H.264(MP4), then, when I have all the sequences I need, join them together(dropping transitions in to segue between each sequence) then render the lot in DVD-SP MPEG2 to keep my file size down.
Cheers!
Neil.)

Veering off course. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT

Hi Darp1,
BarryTheCrab's guidance on project management has been sound (sorry for the pun).

Let's get back to some basics please. I'd like to see some simple info.
1. A diagnostic of your PC, Part B in the guide.
2. A screenshot of the Edit workspace with your project insitu, Part E & F.
3. Data on the video (and audio files) being edited, MediaInfo, Part J.
4. Version details as per Part A.
Guide: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/40225.page
Dafydd

Quote:

Quote: Sometimes on a long sound track the sound waves do not show all the way to the end.

Hi, Darp1!

I've also at times noticed this but it seems to be momentary. Moving the scrubber further along the timeline seems to correct the anomaly. I also note, at times, the absence of the "waveform" for the audio when dropping a clip into the PiP track(situation: two views of an event, shot with different cameras, one view goes on the master video track[Tr.1], the other goes on a PiP track[Tr.2]). I rely on audio cues to line up the two clips in order to synchronise them, I also rely on the visual representation of that sound wave to help with the syncing of the clips. On the clip laid on the PIP track, I get the sound, but not the visual representation thereof, that can cause a problem. If, for example, I'm lining up two views of a steam loco leaving a station, the sound of the "toot" is represented by a "bump" on the audio wavform, I look for the same "bump" on the waveform of the other clip(for the PiP inset) and line up the two "bumps", the visual representation allows me to line the two clips accurately. That again depends on the audio waveform being accurately synced with what's on screen, and going all the way to the end of the clip instead of vanishing part-way along. What you described, Darp, sometimes it appears that way on some shorter clips too. Have you noticed that?

Cheers!

Neil.

Thanks Neil. I was away from work 2 days, now back at it. I will remember your tips.

Quote: Hi Darp1,
BarryTheCrab's guidance on project management has been sound (sorry for the pun).

Let's get back to some basics please. I'd like to see some simple info.
1. A diagnostic of your PC, Part B in the guide.

FAST I7 32 gig RAM 120G ssd(c) WITH ONLY 1 GIG LEFT, wIN7, 2 tb HARD DIVIDED INTO 2 (d/e), PROGRAM ON C:. DATA AND PDSs ON D:, AND MAYBE A PROBLEM, THE SHADOW FILES BEING WRITTENTO SSD(C), AND THAT IS WHERE THAT EXTRA 20 GIGS GOT EATEN IN LAST FEW WEEKS.


2. A screenshot of the Edit workspace with your project insitu, Part E & F.
3. Data on the video (and audio files) being edited, MediaInfo, Part J.
4. Version details as per Part A.
Guide: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/40225.page
Dafydd

Hi Dafydd,

I am working on the SSD space issue, which may relate to this issue, but will quickly try to give you more info. IN CAPS above ON #1,

AM SUSPECTING The SHADOW files eating up C: SSD is the related to this problem, happened the same time. I will ask a question about that on this thread next. Thanks all for your help on this.

RELATED BUT SEPARATE ISSUE, SHADOW FILES EATING MY SSD, CAN i ERASE WITH NO PROBLEMS?

I found a directory called "ShadowEditFiles on SSD that has produced videos going all the way back to November about 20 gigs of them.

When I produce each day or so I up the date in PDS file name, as in, Acme 6-17-16, so both those master video and segments within them are sitting their as .MPG, whereas the produces I do are .WMV. These files Are about 10% bigger than the WMV produced and just watched one, appears the same quality.

3 questions:

1. If I erase every one of these MPG files, will it cause any harm?

2. Without having them (turning them off going forward), is there a serious downside?

3. Only about 5% of the WMV files I purposely created, ended up in this shadow folder(same file name as a MPG too). I am guessing my when PD13 crashes that leaves behind a shadow file that is used for recovery? Otherwise they are erased?

I am going to erase some old ones ad free up the SSD and see if the audio wave sync issue goes away.

Thanks gain to all for your help.

Thanks



Update, the freed up 6 gigs on SSD made no difference on the waveform getting behind the audio, and it occurs about 53 mins and thereafter. But at least it got rid of the warnings.

Hi Darp1,
Shadow Edit Files, if you have no use of the older temp mpeg files, delete them, keep the most recent as you're using those.
If we can have the diagnostic etc, that would help us a great deal. I prefer not to use Shadow edit files, your options would depend upon the spec of your PC (diagnostic please).
Dafydd

Quote: Hi Darp1,
Shadow Edit Files, if you have no use of the older temp mpeg files, delete them, keep the most recent as you're using those.
If we can have the diagnostic etc, that would help us a great deal. I prefer not to use Shadow edit files, your options would depend upon the spec of your PC (diagnostic please).
Dafydd

Hi Dafydd, I will continue to use the mirrors, as my machine does occasionally freeze up of PD13, and it prompts me to recover an unsaved file which ends up being what I was working on.

Ah, But maybe I misunderstand, being its a video, it not the project so separate issue. Maybe should turn off Mirror. If you were to say what the most valuable function of mirroring is, in your opinion what would that be?



On the diagnostics, will try and do that, and if split it at 50 mins this issue will go away am quite confident. My prior projects never went over 50 mins, and the waveform problem never happened. Although as Neil mentioned sometimes it goes blank.

Posts have been removed that had little to do with Darp1's issue. Members please stay focused on helping Darp1. Thank you.
Dafydd

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