Hi Lena

Your problem is caused by high bitrates associated with 4K.

You might like to have look here for a workaround.
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46177.page

I use the system and it works very well.

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

Thank you very much Robert Im definitely going to try this thing!

Lena, you won't regret it. An analysis I did showed that it is eight times faster than using shadow files.

However, do remember the AVI files created are very large so you may find it an advantage to delete the files when your project is complete.

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

Well i just tried it and i have to admit that i'm shocked! It works perfectly now! Thank you so much Robert!

Greeting from Poland!

Hi Lena

Greetings to you too, from England.

So glad it works for you.

When you produce your project you can use any profile you like, for example H264 MP4, 3840x2160 where the files are much, much smaller than the AVIs. The great thing about the Magic codec is it is lossless, so the same quality you put in, comes out the other end.

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

Hi, Lena and Robert!

Greetings from Australia! You mentioned AVI files in your comments, Robert(Shadowman), My one brief experiment with AVI was a near attempt to "produce" to an AVI file but when I saw how big the file would be..... OUCH! I quickly changed to MPEG2. There is a compressed AVI which can have a two-hour video come in at a little over 600 megabytes but there's no way I can see to produce to that type of file.(Tried rendering to AVCHD once, took over an hour to render a clip, never again will I try that one either). Nope, Just gime me MPEG2, I'm happy with that!

Cheers!

Neil.

Neil.F.1955,
You have experience of using the 4k workaround as created by optodata and the specific avi files that are produced by the third party software? Looks to me you are generalizing and referring to your use of the avi container that isn't relevant to the issue on hand or helpful to situation here I'm afraid.

Shadowman has experienced 4k editing and uses the workaround. I defer to the knowledge that optodate has given and to the testers, one of whom was Shadowman.

It would be useful to know if you, Neil, had used the 4k avi generation workaround solution, have you?
Dafydd

I know exactly what you mean Neil. After converting my 6min video in 4k resolution to AVI format it has 25 GB But the good thing is that after editing and rendering your video in PD14, the size of your file will be smaller In my case its not 25gb anymore - it's only 800mb and the quality is still awesome



But still there is one thing that i don't understand. After converting my video i have this watermark on it. Any ideas how to get rid of this?

Quote: Neil.F.1955,
You have experience of using the 4k workaround as created by optodata and the specific avi files that are produced by the third party software? Looks to me you are generalizing and referring to your use of the avi container that isn't relevant to the issue on hand or helpful to situation here I'm afraid.

Shadowman has experienced 4k editing and uses the workaround. I defer to the knowledge that optodate has given and to the testers, one of whom was Shadowman.

It would be useful to know if you, Neil, had used the 4k avi generation workaround solution, have you?
Dafydd

Dafydd, My attempt to use AVI would've resulted in a video file swallowing up several gigabytes of hard-drive space if I'd actually triggered the "produce" function. Just seeing how much space would've been used, not to mention the (at a guess) excessive amount of time needed to render, was enough to put me off AVI for life, I'd be curious to know about this "workaround" from Shadowman because I'd like to, perhaps one day, store videos in the compressed AVI file type and have a 90-minute or even two-hour video occupy less than 1 gigabyte on my external hard-drive.

Neil.

Hi Lena -

If you choose the option to donate to the developer of the Magic YUV codec (even if you donate nothing) you'll get the full version with no watermark.

See optodata's post here - http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46177.page#239118

Neil - the "workaround" using MagicYUV is for a specific purpose - to make editing easier in specific circumstances. It does create huge files, but there are great benefits as you'll read & see thoughout that thread.

Cheers - Tony
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Neil.F.1955,
Are you telling us then you have zero experience of 4k editing or using the workaround? Please check out what the avi container is and how it has been used since 1992. It might help you with your understanding of video editing (beyond PowerDirector 8, where I suspect you last used the avi container.).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Video_Interleave
In the url I have given you'll also find links to other extensions.
I hope the information I've given helps you. Members have given the link to optodata's workaround - please read.

The issue encountered by the OP and the watermark has been addressed by ynotfish. The additional info I have added is to help broaden the grasp of an avi container... an extension doesn't mean they're same file format.
Dafydd

Ynotfish thank you so much for your answer It helped me alot! Now everything works perfectly and i can finnaly enjoy editing my 4k videos

Hi Lena, I'm glad Tony was able to guide you the PDF and the link to full version of Magic.

Neil
Magic+PD was designed to help users who edit material that contains very high bitrates, and to the greater extent this is 4K material. To anybody else, the program will have little value. Magic+PD takes, for example, high bit MP4 clips that could not be edited easily, and converts them into AVI files which PD handles well and are therefore edited easily. The downside to this is the AVIs are roughly ten times the size of the original MP4 files thereby creating a storage problem if you had to keep them for long periods.

Here comes the good bit. Once you have finished editing your work you simply produce your film back to MP4 or similar which, as you know, are very much smaller files than AVIs

The whole procedure from start to finish is lossless thanks to the great Magic YUV Codec that is incorporated in Magic+PD. So all in all, it's a great program for those that need it.

It is in no way intended to create files for permanent storage or for any other purpose. All you need to do when you have completed you project is delete the AVIs to regain the space you lost.

One other thing to remember is M+PD converts the original material to editable AVIs about 8 times faster than shadow files can be generated in PD.

The bottom line is, if you work with 4K you'll love it. If you don't work in high bit rates, you don't need it.

I hope this clarifies a little for you

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

Hey Robert... and what do you or the Magic+PD consider 'high bit rates'?
Thanks

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This is my third attempt at a reply, it saves then vanishes.

Come on, CS

I said "to the greater extent this is 4K material" was that not close enough for you? I suppose anything over100mbs will benefit from Magic+PD. However, the long and the short of it is, if you experience timeline stuttering and jumping or even freezing on a regular basis then the program is for you.

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

Ah.. Robert, no offense and certainly no disrespect intended. I am just learning about bit rates and I'm certainly not editing or creating clips with 100 mbps sort of rates.

Up to now, I've considered high bit rates something in the order of 25-40 mbps! I have experienced the 'jumping of the timeline marker' on occasion - but I've been able to live with it. But I am already thinking about 4K and am trying to learn whatever I can before I migrate to it. So I just wanted to know what sort of bit rates was associated with 4k was all.

Sincerely I do apologize for any misunderstanding or poignant(3rd definition) remarks on my part Robert.

What you and AlS and Ron did (with the creation of Magic+PD) was amazing!

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My dear CS, you read my words too harshly. I did not intend to sound rude.

You will not regret moving over to 4K , but bear in mind you will need something like Magic+PD or you may end up jumping in the Hudson.

Robert Panny TM10, GH2, GH4,

...sighs.. text communication.. I can't tell sometimes.. but I knew you aren't a 'jerk' so... lol No worries.. ( and I'm not Australian)

I don't see myself converting over to 4k anytime soon... a few years out I'm thinking. And this will be on a better CPU and graphics card than I have currently. But when I do, I'd like to know a little about what I'm getting in to. So I best start learning now.

Thanks for the clarification Robert!

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Hi, Shadowman(Robert) and CS.

A recent camera purchase, a Canon Legria HF-R506 model, shoots in either AVCHD or MP4(user's choice), I've set mine to shoot in MP4. Yes, importation of the clips to PD(8 or 14) creates shadow files, but I've found them not to hamper my editing, even when the shadow files haven't yet fully generated(turned green). Upon completion of editing, my final render is to MPEG2. I stick with this file type as it's "familiar territory". My last major shoot-and-edit project was a trip to a tramway museum in the outer-southern-Sydney suburb of Loftus in January of this year. That's not going to mean anything to our American friends but Australians on this site, particularly those in NSW, will know the place I'm talking about. In England, there's a similar tramway museum in Crich(probably much bigger than that at Loftus). I shot over an hour's worth of material and it came together quite nicely. Edited in PD14 from MP4 files and rendered to MPEG2. As I edited some of the shadow files had fully generated, some had not, but it didn't stop me or slow down my editing.. I still have the MP4 raw video should I want to create a newer edit at some future stage(I often do re-edits, always working on improving things, bits that made it in to an earlier edit that should've been left out, bits that missed out on the earlier edit that should've been included... you know the drill).

Cheers!

Neil.