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Neil.F.1955 [Avatar]
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Hello!

This has become a bugbear of late, the habit of trying to "decimalise" time. And quite frankly it's bloody annoying! People referring to an hour-and-a-half as "1.5 hours" To write an "hour-and-a-half" numerically would be as follows - 01:30.00 - that's 1 hour, 30 minutes and no seconds(the zero ahead of the 1 in the hour column is optional). If we look at video time then perhaps we'll write it thus in order to show the extra division, frames - 01;30;00.00 this then reads as 1 hour, 30 minutes, zero seconds, zero frames(in either 25 or 30 frames per second). In the first instance I've used the colon to separate hour from minute and the period to separate the minute from the second(but not as a decimal point). In the second instance, I've used a semi-colon between hour and minute, and again between minute and second with the period to divide seconds and frames. If this all sounds pedantic, I make no apologies because it is becoming a problem with the lazy way time is referenced in these posts. Time does not conform to decimal fractions! Half-an-hour is 30 minutes, not 50 minutes, an hour is made of 60, not 100 minutes, and a minute is made of 60, not 100 seconds.

Neil.
Carl312
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All you have to do is look at the time code in the Powerdirector Preview.

The display is hh;mm;ss;ff or hh:mm:ss:ff for hours, minutes, seconds, frames. The difference is the use of the semicolon (drop frame) and the colon (no drop frame). I.E. NTSC 29.97 fps or 30.00 fps. PAL is 25 fps or 50 fps and uses the colon.

Seconds changes depending on the frame rate selected in Preferences > General.

If you have NTSC 30 fps, frames is 0-29, 24 fps is 0-23. 60 fps is 0-59, PAL 25 fps is 0-24. 50 fps is 0-49.

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tomasc [Avatar]
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This does not bother me as ½ hour or half an hour can be written in ms word but not in notepad. It is 1/2 hour as written in notepad as text. 1 ½ hour in word is 90 minutes or 1 1/2 hour in text or 1.5 hours on a punch timecard. Each 0.1 hours on a timecard is equal to 6 minutes for those workers paid hourly. Pay for hourly employees on a spreadsheet is entered in tenths of an hour not hours, minutes, and seconds.

There has never been a problem for me that 3.2 hours of 17 Mbps video will fit a 25 GB Blu-ray. For those that do then I suggest that they go along with it. I have notice that a 1.1 minute video was posted earlier. That is 1 minute 6 seconds and probably so many frames. 1.1 minute is good enough for me. Don't need to know the exact amount here.

Most people would type 1.5 hours because it takes less typing and/or the text editor don't allow fractions to be typed properly. It is not the fault of the individual.
Richmond Dan
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Anja the Dane
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Thanks tomasc!

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jcardana
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Quote: This has become a bugbear of late
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CS2014
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Oooohhh... so 1.008 seconds jcar? Wow you're pretty quick typer!

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Quote: Oooohhh... so 1.008 seconds jcar? Wow you're pretty quick typer!

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Neil.F.1955 [Avatar]
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It seems you all want to "send me up" on this topic! Okay, have your fun but it doesn't change my view one bit(or should that be "byte"?)

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CS2014
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0.00028 hours x 60 minutes/hr x 60 seconds/minute = Units in seconds - thus 1.008 seconds - just saying.....

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Neil.F.1955 [Avatar]
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Obviously no-one picked up on the fact that I was also "sending myself up" with the bracketed question: (or should that be "byte"?)

And for those who have not heard the phrase, "sending someone, or even oneself up" means mocking someone or oneself, "Taking the Mickey", in other words.

Neil.
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi Neil -

I don't think it's anyone's intention to "send up" anyone else, but the idea you're putting forward completely ignores the fact that time is referred to in decimal terms in many circumstances. Ever been a time keeper at an athletics or swimming event?

Decimal time is standard (and I'm not referring to French Revolutionary Time). Check the MediaInfo report for any video - it'll state something like 14s 665ms (milliseconds). 14.665s is simply a different way of expressing the same thing. Like 1 h 30m = 1.5h

BTW - I spent 35 years teaching this to primary school students. It's part of the Maths curriculum.

tomasc made the point that it's often easier to type time in decimal format.

Your initial post actually invited criticism because you stated that people who used decimal format time were being "lazy" in doing so. That's not the case. Just because it's not your preference doesn't mean it's wrong.

Cheers - Tony
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Neil.F.1955 [Avatar]
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Tony,

Quite simply it all goes back to what was drummed into my head during primary and secondary school..... 60 seconds = 1 minute; 60 minutes = 1 hour, and so on. That's what I grew up with and that's what I stick by. When dealing with video editing, I add one extra fraction, which again does not confirm to decimal convention, and that is "frames per second", either 25 fps or, for high definition file types like MP4 and such, 30fps. Summing up, I reiterate, I've stuck with what I know and have grown up knowing.

Neil.
jcardana
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Quote: 0.00028 hours x 60 minutes/hr x 60 seconds/minute = Units in seconds - thus 1.008 seconds - just saying.....

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tomasc [Avatar]
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10 seconds to post is still fast. Don't beleive I can send anything lately in 10 seconds with the hangs experinced lately on this forum.
jcardana
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Quote: 10 seconds to post is still fast. Don't beleive I can send anything lately in 10 seconds with the hangs experinced lately on this forum.
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