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Questions about editing 4k videos and outputting to 4k files ???
Provlima [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 13, 2011 12:08 Messages: 11 Offline
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After reading much about 4k videos am considering purchasing the Lumix FZ1000.

I have experience in 1080p video editing but I am somewhat confused about the ability of the latest video editing programs like Power Director 14 to both edit AND output in 4K video.

Has anyone been able to edit and output edited 4K video files???

From what I've read many users find it more convenient to out put their edited video projects to 1080p

If you have created 4k edited files:

have you been able to view these finished 4k videos on your PC's??

What pc's (specs) are you using and are any special video cards needed?

I know 4k will become the new standard in a year or two but am wondering how 4k might be displayed on current standard laptop. & PC monitors

Thanks for your help!
James Dotson
Senior Contributor Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 24, 2009 20:40 Messages: 3066 Offline
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It takes a high end computer to work with 4k. I have worked with larger than HD, but not 4k. Never had any problems with PD handling the task. __________________________________
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Julien Pierre [Avatar]
Contributor Joined: Apr 14, 2011 01:34 Messages: 476 Offline
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Quote:

Has anyone been able to edit and output edited 4K video files???



Yes (though I have run into a few bugs).


have you been able to view these finished 4k videos on your PC's??



Yes. I can view them in the the PowerDirector viewer, in PowerDVD 14, and in MPC-HC .


What pc's (specs) are you using and are any special video cards needed?



My main machine specs are in my signature.

IMO, you should have at least 16GB RAM to work with 4K and 4 CPU cores . More CPU cores are better.

Intel CPUs will do better than AMD in general due to Quicksync. They also cost more.

4K files will be very large. A large HD or SSD will be helpful. Large SSDs are still expensive, though.

A 4TB SSD RAID array (2x2TB, or 4x1TB) would still cost around $1500, which is the price of a new computer. And 4TB may still be too small for 4K depending on how many projects you have.

Effects are rendered in software, and you need a fast CPU, or it can take forever.

As far as video card, it depends on your camera, and whether it uses H264 or H265.

If H264, you can use a Maxwell-based video card like the GTX 750Ti I have. These cards should be coming down in price quite a bit now. This card supports 4K decoding/encoding in H264 .

If H265, get a Maxwell2-based video card, like the GTX950/960 which have both encoders/decoders for H265 (in addition to H264).

If you are getting a new computer, you might as well go for Maxwell2.

IMO, encoding in H265 is currently a bit of a dicey proposition, as many PCs cannot view the content - they lack H265 hardware decoders and are not fast enough to decode 4K H265 in software.

A much larger share of PCs has H264 hardware decoders, but not all of them can decode streams at 4K resolutions/bit rates.

I would say that almost all 4K cameras out there below $5000 are still transitional models IMO, because they only do 4K at 30fps.
In upcoming years, there will be 4K cameras at 60fps below this price point.
Right now, I only know of the Panasonic HC-X1000 . $2800 and still using a small sensor, sigh.

FYI, recently, I bought an FDR-AX33 for $1040 including tax and 4 year extended warranty. I greatly regret it. The picture is actually softer than my old Canon HG21. It will be going back to the store. I'm not sure what else to get. The Panasonic F-Z1000 has a larger 1" sensor, but also an annoying 30 minute clip recording limit . MSI X99A Raider
Intel i7-5820k @ 4.4 GHz
32GB DDR4 RAM
Gigabyte nVidia GTX 960 4GB
480 GB Patriot Ignite SSD (boot)
2 x 480 GB Sandisk Ultra II SSD (striped)
6 x 1 TB Samsung 860 SSD (striped)

2 x LG 32UD59-B 32" 4K
Asus PB238 23" HD (portrait)
Paul1945
Contributor Location: South Africa Joined: Apr 12, 2014 14:11 Messages: 327 Offline
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Hi
Provlima
Y E S but only HiEnd and i am adding a Intel 750 ssd 400
This weekend ....speed is in the Moment still a Problem !!
rest in my signature !!
lots of $$$$$

and NEW NVIDIA Driver 355.98

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Pauls PC
X399 AORUS Extreme/AMD Ryzen2970WX/1xQuatro 4000 Driver:Geforce 419.67Skill V DDR4 64GB/3200MHz/Win10 prox64
Intel SSD 750/400 / Intel SSD 750/1.2Tb 1x4TB SSHD /1xSeagate 10TB pro
1xSamsung UA28D590 4k LUMIX GH5 1xLG HDR
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PowerDirector 14 works fine with my GoPro 4K clips.
And hardware encoder and SVRT lossless output helps very much ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Julien Pierre [Avatar]
Contributor Joined: Apr 14, 2011 01:34 Messages: 476 Offline
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Quote:
and NEW NVIDIA Driver 355.98


This new driver is buggy. Stick with 347.88 . MSI X99A Raider
Intel i7-5820k @ 4.4 GHz
32GB DDR4 RAM
Gigabyte nVidia GTX 960 4GB
480 GB Patriot Ignite SSD (boot)
2 x 480 GB Sandisk Ultra II SSD (striped)
6 x 1 TB Samsung 860 SSD (striped)

2 x LG 32UD59-B 32" 4K
Asus PB238 23" HD (portrait)
Anders Bixbe [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Sweden Joined: Apr 05, 2012 16:55 Messages: 44 Offline
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I have been editing UHD 4K with PD now for 13 months. I have GTX970, 32 GB RAM and a Haswell 6core processor. I have 3 cameras (Panasonic FZ1000, LX100 and Samsung NX1). PD14 with HA renders my H.265 NX1 files to H.265 in 1,7X realtime the same time as H.265 to H.264 XAVC-S MP4 100Mbps. The H.265 rendered videos use 1/3 of data space as H.264. I store my videos on WD caviar green 2TB discs and edit on a 256Gb SSD. Many of my videos can be seen in UHD 4K on YouTube. Search: Anders Bixbe.
One can render H.265 without HA and that takes 10X realtime with my gear. Corsair Vengeance C70, Asus Geforce GTX 1060
Asus Prime Z370-A, Corsair RMx 850, Samsung SSD 960 EVO M.2. Windows 10,
Corsair Vengeance LP 2X16Gb DDR4 RAM,Intel i7-8700K

Paul1945
Contributor Location: South Africa Joined: Apr 12, 2014 14:11 Messages: 327 Offline
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Thanks Andreas
Please send the Settings in H.265
Is it Mp4 3840
or Mp 4 - 4036 or what ????
Love your Stockholm in ultraHD 4K
How is your Time line Quality ???
Rest Thanks just like my Experience ....
Can you publish your gear ??? Pauls PC
X399 AORUS Extreme/AMD Ryzen2970WX/1xQuatro 4000 Driver:Geforce 419.67Skill V DDR4 64GB/3200MHz/Win10 prox64
Intel SSD 750/400 / Intel SSD 750/1.2Tb 1x4TB SSHD /1xSeagate 10TB pro
1xSamsung UA28D590 4k LUMIX GH5 1xLG HDR
Anders Bixbe [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Sweden Joined: Apr 05, 2012 16:55 Messages: 44 Offline
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When I convert H.265 to H.264 I make a profile 3840X2160 MP4 XAVC-S 100Mbps and use the hardware acceleration which works with my one year old pc (soon out of date,hehe.).
For H.265 to H.265 i use the custom profile 3840X2160 MP4 37Mbps. So far no problems with transitions or text in the timeline with HEVC H.265.
Actually H.264 to H.264 almost always rendered some clips badly in PD13 and PD11. I have not tried it with PD14 yet.
There is one artefact with H.265 to H.264. Watch the bottom lines in some clips look strange. I have not seen this in H.265 to H.265.

P.S. How do I get rid of the enormeous empty space under my posts?

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Corsair Vengeance C70, Asus Geforce GTX 1060
Asus Prime Z370-A, Corsair RMx 850, Samsung SSD 960 EVO M.2. Windows 10,
Corsair Vengeance LP 2X16Gb DDR4 RAM,Intel i7-8700K

Paul1945
Contributor Location: South Africa Joined: Apr 12, 2014 14:11 Messages: 327 Offline
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Thanks Anders
I have seen some : bottom lines in some clips look strange !!
Thanks for the Info ...
I am looking forward to Install my new Intel 750 ssd 400 this weekend !!!! " Hope so " Pauls PC
X399 AORUS Extreme/AMD Ryzen2970WX/1xQuatro 4000 Driver:Geforce 419.67Skill V DDR4 64GB/3200MHz/Win10 prox64
Intel SSD 750/400 / Intel SSD 750/1.2Tb 1x4TB SSHD /1xSeagate 10TB pro
1xSamsung UA28D590 4k LUMIX GH5 1xLG HDR
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