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Project renders with wrong duration using SVRT - 11:11 instead of 11:54 .
Julien Pierre [Avatar]
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My project is just under 12 minutes, and consists of only 2 tracks, one video track, and one title track.

No effects are used anywhere except for the beginning credits on the title track for a few seconds.

There are 10 clips on the video track, laid next to each other without any blank frame.

The 9th clip is at 9:56, and the 10th clip at 10:52 - running until the end at 11:54 .

When I render this simple project with SVRT, everything is fine in the rendered video, until 10:07 . At that point, the video jumps straight to the 10th clip, while the sound of the 9th clip is still playing !

The soundof the 10th clip starts correctly at 10:52 . But the video is cut off at 11:11, instead of 11:54 .

In summary, there are two problems :

1) from 10:07 until 11:11, the video is out of sync with the audio

2) the last 43 seconds of the projects are missing !

Observations through experimenting :

1) I render with the hardware encoder instead of SVRT, those problems go away, but of course, the rendering is much slower. I did not try the software encoder, which would be even slower.

2) If I remove the title track and render the project with SVRT, those problems also go away.

3) If I remove the last title from the title track, which is at 9:52, and render with SVRT, everything is also fine.

I would love to upload the project and the footage, but there is 2.1GB of source material, so this would be rather difficult.

All the source clips are H.264/1060i. None of them are the originals from the cameras - they have all been trimmed once via SVRT previously from the original camera files. The original cameras were a Canon HG21 camcorder, and a Pentax K-30 DSLR.

Note that my project was created in PD13, and the same exact bug is also present there.

I just upgraded to PD14 and was hoping that would be fixed, but alas, no such luck.

I will attach the project file in case it can help diagnose the issue, since I cannot upload the large footage.
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Here is an excerpt of what the misrendered video looks like, starting at the end of the 8th clip, just before the 9th clip, all the way until the end.

Things start going wrong around 0:14 with first a hiccup in the video, and then a very early skip to the 10th clip . You can very easily tell that the audio does not match the video, as the last clip is of my hands playing the harpsichord.

And of course, there is the abrupt ending - the entire performance is cut short by 43 seconds !
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Here is an except of video which is correctly rendered. This is also from an SVRT render, except the last title with the word "Gigue" which was present in the misrendered vide, is now removed.

As you can see, there is no problem with synchronization here, an extra 43 seconds of footage, and the performance is not cut short.
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Quote: I would love to upload the project and the footage, but there is 2.1GB of source material, so this would be rather difficult.


Put it on a google drive (15GB free) or similar share. If others can replicate and have similar issues maybe CL could have a look.

Jeff
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OK, I have started the process of uploading it. My Comcast cable only has 2mbps upload speed, though. So it will take about 2.5 hours. MSI X99A Raider
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Julien Pierre [Avatar]
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Here are the download links to the footage files.
I uploaded them individually and there doesn't seem to be simple way to move them to a single ZIP file after upload.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqedkZBWXhqT3RuQUE
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqedTFvTXIzVXJncjA
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqeQXVuOWZxX2t2V0U
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqeWDFoUjJNd0Q4eXM
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqeUG96cVRyblV6eW8
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqeX1dLQUN6UW9LQlU
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqeTDNkQXRwbzA4dUU
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqeV2drSnlCc0h5S2c
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqeQXZ2TS13SjNMUzA
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqeUng5a0R4dmVaUnM
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqeckFkZzh0TkZDZG8
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1eSSO_7gwqecjNTUml6cDZhUlE

Just download all the files and put them into a single directory. The files include 2 projects in PD13 format.

The test case is very simple.

1. Start PowerDirector, either PD13 or PD14. The problem shows up in either one. I did not try earlier versions. The project was initially created in PD13 the day before PD14 was released.
2. Open project FrenchSuite6-svrt-problem.pds
3. Click Produce
4. Click "intelligent SVRT" . PD should automatically choose a suitable profile, which is the built-in AVCHD 1920x1080/60i (24 Mbps)
5. Make sure "Fast rendering" is checked and "SVRT" is selected.
6. Click "..." to locate/name the target clip . Call it "Bad.m2ts"
7. Click "start" to render . This takes about 3.5 minutes on my system, could be more or less depending on your I/O & CPU
8. Click "back to the edit page".
9. highlight Bad.m2ts
10. Click play
11. Jump to 10:00
12. Observe that the rendered file has sync problems mentioned in the initial post of this thread, starting around 10:07, and it is cut short at 11:11 - should be 11:54 -

Now, repeat steps 2-12, except
2. open FrenchSuite6-svrt-ok.pds
6. Call the clip Good.m2ts
9. Highlight Good.m2ts
12 Observe that the entire clip is rendered properly, without any problem

I also opened a case with Cyberlink about this, CS001513122 .

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Julien Pierre, all appears okay for me. The steps 1-12 produce a valid file of full length, 11:54.

Three pics attached:
JP1 > Shows Intelligent SVRT did find the standard profile you mentioned
JP2 > Near the end of the encode process to capture SVRT screen being utilized and encode time of ~2:30
JP3 > showing entire Bad.m2ts clip length and playback window of Bad.m2ts near end at 11:52, well past 11:11 end you state

Jeff
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Very interesting ... Must be something on my machine that's
causing the issue, then. Perhaps I need to uninstall PowerDirector 10, 11, 12, 13 and try again, sigh.

I will try on a secondary machine with just PD14 and see if this project can render successfully.
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For what it's worth I did two boxes, WIN7, WIN10, both PD13 and PD14 on each box, all created (4) Bad.m2ts look good.

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Quote: For what it's worth I did two boxes, WIN7, WIN10, both PD13 and PD14 on each box, all created (4) Bad.m2ts look good.





OK. I suspect it's PD10 - it needed a custom patch from support for one of the DLLs to coexist with PD13/PD14 .

I don't really need PD10 or PD11 for anything anymore, so I will delete them when I get home and try again. MSI X99A Raider
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OK. I suspect it's PD10 - it needed a custom patch from support for one of the DLLs to coexist with PD13/PD14 .

I don't really need PD10 or PD11 for anything anymore, so I will delete them when I get home and try again.


Not sure on that, on WIN7 I have PD 8,10,11,12,13,14, all functional. And yes I had to get a patch dll for 10.

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OK. The "bad" project rendered fine with PD13 on my secondary system - which was Win10 rather than Win7, and an older GTX 560Ti. with PD13 on it. Going to try PD14 on it next. Edit: PD14 also rendered it fine with SVRT on that Win10 machine.

I'm really not sure what's going on with the primary box, which is the one described in my signature, and still running with Win7 64-bit.

I do have Sony Movie studio Platinum 12 installed - will try removing that.

Otherwise, I can't even begin to think what other software would cause PowerDirector to do this.

I have Windows Media Encoder 9 series CODEC, Adobe DNG CODECs - but that's for still.
Quicktime is 7.78.80.95 .

JRiver media center 20 is there, as well as PowerDVD 14 and MPC-HC 1.7.8 .

I have nothing else that's got anything to do with video.

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Deleted Sony Movie Platinum, PD10 and PD11 from the primary Win7 machine. PD14 still misrendered the project - wrong duration. sigh.

I hope it's not time to reformat and reinstall Windows - already it it once in May and I'm not really keen on doing it again. I may backup and reimage to a fresh OS just to see if that solves the issue though.

For now, going to try removing all versions of PD and reinstalling the latest to see if that helps anything ...

Edit: did that. It did not help.

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After backing up the SSD, I spent all night uninstalling every single program on my machine that didn't have to do with hardware support, except my Firefox browser, AVG anti-virus, and Acronis (so I can restore the image later).I even tried to create a new user profile in Windows.Even with all this, PD still renders the "bad" project as 11:11 ; not 11:54 as it should.I am left with only the following. I may unplug devices and uninstall a bunch more software .... Maybe unplug the Ethernet and have only PD14.

Most likely an OS reinstall would fix it, though. I just hate the hundreds of Windows updates. And I did it recently already on 5/28 .
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JL_JL,

So, I did a fresh Windows reinstall to SSD, including reformatting it, with Ethernet unplugged. This was to avoid having to install an anti-virus, and all the latest security patches from Windows updates.

I did not install things like audio drivers, USB 3.0 drivers, or any other drivers - just nVidia video drivers.

I then installed the 355.82 nVidia drivers, as well as PowerDirector 14. It wouldn't activate online - since computer was offline - but said I would have 30 days to use it before activating online.
Then, it crashed on startup, in some nVidia DLL.

After that, I installed Win7 SP1 from an offline setup executable. That fixes this crash.

Subsequently, I rendered the "bad" project. And guess what, it still rendered to the wrong length of 11:11 !

I'm at wits end here. I'm not really sure why you can render it properly on your Win7 system, but I can't.

I really, really wonder what the differences could be that make it render incorrectly on my primary system, but correctly on all your system, and my secondary box as well.

Which CPUs and GPUs are you using on the machines that succeeded ? And which version of the nVidia drivers ? Not that the GPU should matter with SVRT .

Edit: nVidia driver makes no difference. I tried with the generic VGA driver, and rendering is the same. With VGA drivers, the GPU would make no difference either, since no hardware decoding would be used at all for the 1 minute or so that there are titles.

So now, my only theory left is some weird bug specific to my AMD FX-8350 CPU ...

BTW, your system is mighty fast encoding the project - mine takes about 3 mins with the fresh OS install - was about 3.5 minutes before that, possibly due to AVG anti-virus overhead. Which CPU are you using on the Win7 system ?

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So now, my only theory left is some weird bug specific to my AMD FX-8350 CPU ...


I can hardly believe this, but I confirmed it.

I took an OS image of the SSD on the primary machine on which I was seeing the bad rendering.

I then put this image onto the SSD on my secondary machine. The hardware is fairly similar - also AMD based, but it is an older Phenom II x6 1055T .

And guess what, with that same OS image on the Phenom II, the rendering is the correct length, 11:54 .

So now I guess Cyberlink is going to need an FX CPU in-house to reproduce and fix this ... MSI X99A Raider
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I can hardly believe this, but I confirmed it.

I took an OS image of the SSD on the primary machine on which I was seeing the bad rendering.

I then put this image onto the SSD on my secondary machine. The hardware is fairly similar - also AMD based, but it is an older Phenom II x6 1055T .

And guess what, with that same OS image on the Phenom II, the rendering is the correct length, 11:54 .

So now I guess Cyberlink is going to need an FX CPU in-house to reproduce and fix this ...


Just a thought, have you tried running stock clock speeds? Several years back I had overclocked a AMD on a Gigabyte board and had nothiing but strange issues with PD. No other app gave me trouble, just PD. Longshot I know, but maybe worth a try.

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Jeff,

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Just a thought, have you tried running stock clock speeds? Several years back I had overclocked a AMD on a Gigabyte board and had nothiing but strange issues with PD. No other app gave me trouble, just PD. Longshot I know, but maybe worth a try.

Jeff


Thanks for the thought - I'm afraid that I already tried that yesterday. It's one of the many things I tried but didn't mention. The rendering bug happens even at stock clocks The overclock made no difference.

I have a home theater PC with another AMD FX CPU, the older FX-8120, running Win7 x64 also. I will try the rendering on that one too later.

Re: the OC, I spent quite a lot of time a few years ago to figure out stable OC for my motherboard and CPU. About a month of running Prime95 with various settings. I got a huge power bill at the end of it ! I should have bought a new CPU, but there was nothing beyond the FX-8350 available that could fit the motherboard. The newer FX CPUs aren't impressive either. The FX-9590 does 4.7 GHz / 5 GHz with turbo core, instead of the 4.6 GHz fixed I managed with the OC. And that's a $240 part, and instruction set looks to be the same.

Also , 125W vs 220W . Though I'm not really quite sure how many W my OC FX-8350 runs, but it's significantly more than stock clock. I have a very good Noctua NH-D14 cooler though. The stock cooler could never achieve this OC.

I know at some point I will shop for a new motherboard/CPU, and will probably go with Intel, but that point has not yet arrived. MSI X99A Raider
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FYI, I also tried my project on my HTPC with an AMD FX-8120 . No problem there, just like on AMD Phenom II x6 .

The issue is only seen on my AMD FX-8350 so far - and consistently, even with fresh OS reinstall. Looks like Cyberlink may need that exact CPU model to fix it.
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Cyberlink has been unable to reproduce the issue.

Indeed, I can only reproduce it on one of my systems, but not the other.

Packing the project and re-rendering it seems to work around and make the project work on the one computer that is experiencing the issue

It is still very weird.

I was able to reduce the test case to a smaller one.

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I tried to reduce my project test case, and was successful.
I was able to reduce it to just 2 video clips, for a total of 338 MB.

In the shortened test, the normal "good" rendering should be 1min58sec, but when the bug is seen, the "bad" rendering is only 1:14 - 44 seconds short.
The shortened test case consists of just 3 files :

FrenchSuite6-svrt-short-problem2.pds
gigue-firsthalf.m2ts
gigue-secondhalf.m2ts

They were originally located in D:\Documents\Videos\Full French suite 6 harpsichord
along with the other PDS projects and other m2ts source files which aren't needed by this shorter project.

I then prepared to pack the project to upload this much smaller test case. I packed it on my desktop .
The packed project has the same 3 files, but the PDS file is modified.

I thought I would try to render the packed project from the desktop as well before uploading it to your ftp site.

And lo and behold - it rendered fine, without skipping a beat, for the full duration.
However, before the packing procedure, the smaller project still shows the issue.

I tried to do an XML diff between the unpacked/packed PDS projects, but couldn't really figure out what differences are making the non-packed project fail to render properly vs the packed project.
I do see that before packing, there are references to the project location on my D: drive, and after packing, these absolute paths are gone. I don't think these explain everything, however.

While packing is a workaround for the problem, it is not a real solution. I still would rather not have to do this in the first place.
I only ever edited the project file with PowerDirector - I never did any manual edit.
It got in that state somehow because PowerDirector wrote something corrupt in it.
It is possible that I moved, copied or renamed a PDS from one location to another with the Windows file manager. I would not expect that to cause problems, though.

So, I kept experimenting to try to find why the original project has this problem before being packed.

1) just copied the 3 files of the test case to a folder on the desktop on my C: drive, but without packing it. It also rendered incorrectly.
So, the packing process in PowerDirector is somehow fixing something that's wrong in the original project file.
2) after doing 1, I renamed the original project folder
D:\Documents\Videos\Full French suite 6 harpsichord
to
D:\Documents\Videos\Full French suite 6 harpsichord-renamed
3) I then rendered the test case located on the desktop again.
This time, it rendered properly, likely because it could no longer reference any source video files from
D:\Documents\Videos\Full French suite 6 harpsichord and instead picked them up from the folder on the desktop
4) but then, I opened the project in
D:\Documents\Videos\Full French suite 6 harpsichord-renamed and tried to render it.
The bug was still seen, even though the actual source file location had been renamed.
I did not expect this.
5) I then copied the 3 test case files from the desktop on the C: drive that were rendering correctly in step 3, to a new folder on the D: drive.
And I rendered again. And this time, the bug was seen in the rendering !
I don't really see why that is the case, but there it is.

This means PowerDirector is rendering the same project differently based on whether the same files are located on the C: or D: drive, even though in both cases
the location of the original source files, D:\Documents\Videos\Full French suite 6 harpsichord, has been renamed, so the PATH references in the PDS files are not good
anymore, which forces PowerDirector to look for them in the same directory as the PDS file.
6) no matter what I tried, either with the original large or with the smaller test case, I could only reproduce the issue on my main computer,
on which the project was originally created. Trying to render on another computer, even using the exact same original path location of
D:\Documents\Videos\Full French suite 6 harpsichord on its local disk, failed to reproduce the rendering problem on that system.
Since the using the same path location doesn't trigger the issue on the other machine, I'm thinking perhaps the original disk signature is stored somewhere in the PDS file,
and is being checked when the project is opened, triggering different behavior in PowerDirector if it doesn't match.

Because of this, I'm not really confident that you can reproduce my test case on another machine.
I would still love to see the issue truly solved, rather than just worked around with the packing feature, as the bug has caused me to waste so much time.

I have still uploaded the (unpacked) shortened good and bad projects. I'm in the process of uploading the good and bad renderings as well - this will take more time.
The location is ftp://ftp.gocyberlink.com/vcpriya/CS001513122/ .

Even if you can't reproduce the issue on your system just yet, at least you can watch the good and bad renderings and see what I have been complaining about.
Perhaps you or your developers will have an idea about why the issue occurred in the first place, and can identify the part in the packing process that causes it to
go away.

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Here are some of my notes from the case :

bad.m2ts was generated from project FrenchSuite6-svrt-shortproblem2.pds

good.m2ts was generated from project FrenchSuite6-svrt-short-good

The only difference between these two projects is the title track .
The first project has the title track enabled, while the second does not.

Indeed, bad.m2ts and good.m2ts have different length. That's part of the bug and why I opened this case ! In the bad rendering, the video jumps too early to the second video clip, and then everything gets cut off at 1:11, when it should last until 1:58 in the good rendering.

I have done a screen capture to show the problem when rendering and play back both the bad clip and then the good clip second.

As I said, this bad rendering issue is only reproducible on my own computer. FrenchSuite6-svrt-shortproblem2.pds renders correctly with the proper length on another computer . So, I don't know if you will be able to reproduce it either. Even if you can't, the capture shows you that it's happening on my computer. Hopefully, product development engineers will have an idea of why that is the case.

I did a PD14 screen capture as you requested. I used voice over, but somehow the tool did not work properly and my voice is cut every second or so and is pretty much unintelligible, even after raising the levels 12 dB in post-processing.
However, you should still be able to see what's going on in PowerDirector. Also, my monitor is 2560x1600 and the capture can only go to 1920x1080 so it is not 1:1 .

In the screen capture, I did the following.
1. open the FrenchSuite6-svrt-shortproblem2.pds
2. render it to bad.m2ts
3. play back bad.m2ts and show that the video and audio are out of sync, and it cuts off early at 1:11.
4. disable title track in the project
5. render again to good.m2ts
6. play back good.m2ts and show that the video and audio are in sync, and it ends correctly at 1:58

This screen capture has been uploaded to your ftp site at :
ftp://cyberlinkcs:7J9CUMKG@ftp.gocyberlink.com/vcsoro/CS001513122
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