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Eugen157
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Using a 1 min long 264 4K MP4 30P video with 5 scenes for testing the GPU video encoder performance, GPU GTX960



Above test video = output MP4 4K 264 30P. using CPU only at 99% GPU video engine 0% takes 3 1/2 min to render

same test video using SVRT takes 3 min but some scenes result in colored garbage, unusable.

same test video using HA takes 1min 50sec, looking great, GPU video engine 35% CPU 30%

same test video using HA converting to 265 HEVC takes 1min 50sec. looking great, GPU video engine 60% CPU 40%

I find it incredible that rendering 264 and 265 takes the same amount of time.



Eugene

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Eugen157
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Did some more testing, all in 4K. Our Vizio P series TV will only play USB HEVC MKV 4K files.

Trying to create those in PD13 failed, they did not play back on that TV. Doing the same in PD14 and BINGO!



Just to give a perspective what the GTX960 does. I have a 90 min 4K MP4 video, to convert that to MKV took 3 1/2 days in the HIPQ mode, using PD13 while we were on a cruise!!

I estimate that it will take less than 3 hours to do in PD14.



Interestingly, the encoding time is the same regardless if 4K 264 or 265 is used.

As far as I know the 960 is the only GPU that has that encoding capability.



I had considered getting a faster PC, that is now mute since the GPU is now doing the heavy lifting at a price of only around $200.00.





Eugene

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Just to give a perspective what the GTX960 does. I have a 90 min 4K MP4 video, to convert that to MKV took 3 1/2 days in the HIPQ mode, using PD13 while we were on a cruise!!

I estimate that it will take less than 3 hours to do in PD14.



Interestingly, the encoding time is the same regardless if 4K 264 or 265 is used.

As far as I know the 960 is the only GPU that has that encoding capability.


Not sure why that view on the 960, any of the Maxwell GM20x should support. My GTX970 works just fine, about 15-20% faster in a few basic tests than my GTX960 for basic hardware encoding of H.265 4096x2160/30p (37Mbps) profile in MP4 container with PD14.

The GTX960 does have a full H.265 hardware decoder while other models use a hybrid GPU/CPU approach for decoding. Not really a differentiator for encoding that I see.

Looks like the basic CPU H.265 encoder was improved considerably as well compared to PD13, nearly 2x improvement on a few rough test of mine.

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Hello folks,

I have a 750 Ti and under Produce I cannot activate "Fast video rendering technology". Is this expected? Is GTX 960 really the only card that supports HEVC hardware encoding with PD14? I cannot find documentation about this on the Cyberlink website. I actually upgraded to PD14 just for hardware acceleration

Also, I find this message on the PD14 system requirements page quite weird: "PLEASE NOTE: For users of NVIDIA cards who have updated to graphics driver 340.43 or later, the video hardware acceleration feature in PowerDirector is no longer available. To re-enable hardware acceleration, please download and install an earlier driver."

http://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdirector-ultra/spec_en_US.html

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I have GTX970. With PD13 it took 10X real time to render my Samsung NX1 clips to HEVC 37Mbps. Now with PD14 and the GPU at work it takes only 1,7X real time which is the same time as rendering HEVC H.265 to XAVC-S MP4 100Mbps. Now I must wait for YouTube to handle HEVC too. YouTube has improved with 4K since the VP9 codec was introduced in Chrome.

I have the latest Nvidia Geforce driver. HA works obviously.

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Quote: Hello folks,

I have a 750 Ti and under Produce I cannot activate "Fast video rendering technology". Is this expected? Is GTX 960 really the only card that supports HEVC hardware encoding with PD14? I cannot find documentation about this on the Cyberlink website. I actually upgraded to PD14 just for hardware acceleration

Also, I find this message on the PD14 system requirements page quite weird: "PLEASE NOTE: For users of NVIDIA cards who have updated to graphics driver 340.43 or later, the video hardware acceleration feature in PowerDirector is no longer available. To re-enable hardware acceleration, please download and install an earlier driver."

http://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdirector-ultra/spec_en_US.html


I have a 750 Ti which is first generation Maxwell as well. This chip doesn't support H.265 hardware encoding or decoding.

You need the Maxwell 2, ie. 960/970/980, to support H.265 encoding (and decoding on the 960).

I have been looking at getting a 960 myself since it was released, but was holding off until there was software support. Looks like that finally came yesterday, and it's time to break the bank.

Good to know the software H.265 encoding has improved as well - it was unusably slow in PD13.

But I have no way to try it as the PD14 trial version doesn't support H.265 .

It's really a shame that the most useful features of PD14 are unsupported in the trial - SVRT, 4K, H.265 . There is no way to test if it properly supports one's hardware - graphics card and camera files primarily.

I guess one needs to purchase and ask for 30-day money back if it doesn't work ... Kind of defeats the point of a free trial. MSI X99A Raider
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Hi Guys
Told you be patient !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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and my biggest Problem in the Past ....TIMELINE speed gone and Editing in full HD 4 k a pleasure ....!!! Pauls PC
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Eugen157
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GOOD MORNING !

To my eyes the PD13 265 encoder was only usable in the HIPQ mode, there were too many artifacts when not using that mode.

So now with PD14, plus the correct GPU card, HEVC is just an other format. Will stick with 264 MP4 GPU encoding untill we get to UHD BR in a few month. The small file size reduction is not worth the trouble at this tme.

With PD14s much improved rendering speed and quality, 4K is now in the same category as HD

I did encode the 90 min video to HEVC 265 and it took only 2hrs and 45 min.

All of a sudden things are falling into place with 4K.

BTW using latest Nvidea driver.

SVRT is still unusable, for some reason some scenes will not render and produce colored garbage on the screen. The next scene will then be fine. This is with straight video from the AX100 camera only, no transitions etc.

While SVRT can preserve the original video and speed up rendering, that in my mind is now mute in view of the stellar GPU encoding performance.



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Eugen157
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Quote: Hello folks,

I have a 750 Ti and under Produce I cannot activate "Fast video rendering technology". Is this expected? Is GTX 960 really the only card that supports HEVC hardware encoding with PD14? I cannot find documentation about this on the Cyberlink website. I actually upgraded to PD14 just for hardware acceleration

Also, I find this message on the PD14 system requirements page quite weird: "PLEASE NOTE: For users of NVIDIA cards who have updated to graphics driver 340.43 or later, the video hardware acceleration feature in PowerDirector is no longer available. To re-enable hardware acceleration, please download and install an earlier driver."

http://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdirector-ultra/spec_en_US.html


I have a 750 Ti which is first generation Maxwell as well. This chip doesn't support H.265 hardware encoding or decoding.

You need the Maxwell 2, ie. 960/970/980, to support H.265 encoding (and decoding on the 960).

I have been looking at getting a 960 myself since it was released, but was holding off until there was software support. Looks like that finally came yesterday, and it's time to break the bank.

Good to know the software H.265 encoding has improved as well - it was unusably slow in PD13.

But I have no way to try it as the PD14 trial version doesn't support H.265 .

It's really a shame that the most useful features of PD14 are unsupported in the trial - SVRT, 4K, H.265 . There is no way to test if it properly supports one's hardware - graphics card and camera files primarily.

I guess one needs to purchase and ask for 30-day money back if it doesn't work ... Kind of defeats the point of a free trial.






I too tried the trial version but gave up after 5 min because of the many (reasonable) limitations. Knowing that sooner or later PD14 would be on my computer, I choose sooner and have not regretted it. In a week or so PD14 will be alone after deleting PD13. PD14 looks like a major milestone as far as 4K users are concerned.

Over the years I learned to make backups and clones on a regular basis. So after playing with the trial version, a restore placed the PC back into the pristine state it was before the trial version was tried.

My 3 hds are mounted in trayless swappable racks allowing different configerations that can be changed in the time it takes to boot up. Extremely flexible.

Eugene

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Thanks for info, I plan to get new video card GTX 960 4GB around xmas or black friday on sale.

My GTX 560 is outdated pretty much and unable to have HA but still strong gaming for me till upgrade this year.
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Everyone here seems to have nVidia GPU cards. What about ATI? Any better support for the latest Catalyst drivers? Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
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Quote: Everyone here seems to have nVidia GPU cards. What about ATI? Any better support for the latest Catalyst drivers?


I don't believe H265 hardware encoding or decoding is supported on any AMD/ATI hardware yet, let alone their drivers or PowerDirector. AMD/ATI is simply behind nVidia in this area.

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Carrizo GPU is GCN 1.2 which supports H.264/4K Hardware Encode/decode & H.265/4K Hardware decode.

I read somewhere that the FuryX supports H265 encoding, but don't remember the link. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
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Quote: Carrizo GPU is GCN 1.2 which supports H.264/4K Hardware Encode/decode & H.265/4K Hardware decode.

I read somewhere that the FuryX supports H265 encoding, but don't remember the link.


For similar price points and GPU performance, ~US190 GTX960 or AMD R9 380 or even the cheaper ~US150 GTX950 I'm not really sure why one would go to AMD at this point with PD.

Concerning PD14 and a AMD R9 380 with 15.7.1 or Beta 15.8 drivers I didn't experience any significant compatibility issues. HA is available again for the typical H.264 and XAVC-S profiles, however, major issues in my view. For instance:

MPEG-4 H.264 1920x1080/30p (16Mbps) profile produced with HA yields a 8.0 Mbps file, nothing near desired 16Mbps
XAVC-S MP4 1920x1080/30p (17Mbps) profile produced with HA yields a 8.4 Mbps file, nothing near desired 17Mbps
XAVC-S MP4 3840x2160/60p (60Mbps) profile produced with HA yields a 21.6 Mbps file, nothing near desired 60Mbps

Basically major issues with any standard profile I tried. There has been similar issues with newer Nvidia cards but presenting several anomalies and simple test cases to resolve appears to get some attention. Anomalies are periodically being corrected.

Jeff

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Quote: Carrizo GPU is GCN 1.2 which supports H.264/4K Hardware Encode/decode & H.265/4K Hardware decode.

I read somewhere that the FuryX supports H265 encoding, but don't remember the link.


Carrizo is an APU, not GPU, though . It seems to support hardware decode, but not encode. And it seems to be for laptops only.

The encode support is of course what matters most for PowerDirector - though H.265 software decode is also slow.

Also, most people here probably edit on a desktop, and can easily upgrade to another GPU. But not to an AMD APU.

I suppose FuryX would be an option, but at $500+, makes no sense. And it looks like PD14 has no support for it for H.265 .

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