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Marious79 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Sep 02, 2015 19:22 Messages: 16 Offline
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I emailed support but they ignored me (not a good sign to be honest...)

I create a project 1280x720, all looks great. Then I want to add an
image/video to it as PIP, I add it to the second track and then I cannot find
an option to restore the original resolution of it. By default PD
resizes it to full width, however the image is 637x488. In
the properties I can see 'scale' but do not understand how it works.

As a result, I struggle to find the optimal size. I played with the scale and managed to match it in a way but

when I produce my video, the PIP is blurred, not even close to the original video/image

I tried mp4, avi, mpeg... makes no difference. The background clip is perfect, but any PIP images/videos are poor quuality.


  1. How do I insert an image/video as PIP and keep the orginal dimensions for it?

  2. How do I improve the quality of PIP (the source files are perfect and sharp)

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The PIP image will have corresponding size area that will occupy on the screen, regardless of the original size.

To resize the video on track 2, select this, will appear in the preview white balls on the edge of the image, click on it and drag hold to reduce the size, click on the middle of the image hold and drag to the desired position.


The quality follows the same video as a whole, which is chosen produce.
Even the PIP video with low quality presented in smaller size should be good. AMD-FX 8350 / 8GB DDR3
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Marious79 [Avatar]
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Thanks PlaySound but it does not address my concerns:

1. How do I match the original dimensions? Using the white balls it is a guess game. I insert e.g. 800x600 and need it to be like this

2. The final output is bad... really bad... (I am talking about PIP). I tried with an image... it is just all blurred). It is a big issue for me as I put text and screenshots which need to be sharp, the source files are!

Again - it all applies to PIP only, the 'background' clips are perfect

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I do not understand why Pip image is blurry.

Should be good as the original and look better by being compressed to a smaller size on the screen, it sure is not what this deteriorating Pip image.

There's no way to keep the image resolution Pip because after it is rendered part of the complete picture, but this takes the resolution selected in Produce.

To facilitate the preview add the grid, thereby automatically adjusts the PIP picture vertical and horizontal lines.

see picture

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Marious79 [Avatar]
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I will attach a screenshot soon.

Do not understand why the PIP image resolution cannot be kept? Let's say my project is 1920x1080, I am adding 1280x720. That is a perfect match for this project, right?

I am just talking about the way that PD inserts PIP images/videos. Why doesn't it insert using the source dimensions?
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Online
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Hi Marious79 -

Whatever you import into PDR & insert in the timeline will "fill the screen".

If you intend to produce at 1280x720, you should resize your 637x488 PiP image so it fits in a 6x6 grid like this...



... then it will be "to scale".

If you intend to produce to 1920x1080, it would obviously need to be smaller on the screen.

Cheers - Tony
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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Online
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Quote: Let's say my project is 1920x1080, I am adding 1280x720. That is a perfect match for this project, right?


Yes - it is the right aspect ratio, but it will still fill the screen.

A project is made in either 16:9 or 4:3. It does not have any resolution. It only becomes 1920x1080 or 1280x720 (or whatever) when you produce it to a video file.

Cheers - Tony
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Marious79 [Avatar]
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That's what I mean! Why does it fill the screen? How do I restore it?

E.g. background is 1920x1080, image is 1280x720.





Here is the screenshot

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ci37uk2sr4c5s0l/err-pd.png?dl=0

The top one comes from a PIP video, the bottom one is the source file...
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Quote: That's what I mean! Why does it fill the screen? How do I restore it?

E.g. background is 1920x1080, image is 1280x720.





Here is the screenshot

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ci37uk2sr4c5s0l/err-pd.png?dl=0

The top one comes from a PIP video, the bottom one is the source file...


In PD any image size will always fit the screen size while maintaining the image aspect ratio.

I think talves quality preview this low leading to a misinterpretation of what you see.

I was unable to download your image if you can post here Attachments button

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ynotfish
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The only way you can be certain that your image is inserted at the original resolution is to (a) calculate how it needs to be re-sized (as I did above) or (b) layer your PiP image onto a transparent canvas that matches your intended output resolution.

Attached are examples of (b) along with the original image.

All the NLEs I've used do the same thing. Aspect ratio is maintained but actual resolution isn't considered.

Cheers - Tony
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Marious79 [Avatar]
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Attaching again
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Marious79 [Avatar]
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Any ideas please? It is unbelievable you cannot get a good PIP output. I just tried in Sony and Adobe with the same files - no problems with PIP...
Carl312
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Quote: Any ideas please? It is unbelievable you cannot get a good PIP output. I just tried in Sony and Adobe with the same files - no problems with PIP...
The image size of the original video determines how the pip will look after the video is produced.

You are importing a small image that will be interpolated to the full size of your produced Video.

the image is 637x488
If you produce to 1280x720 you are resizing that image to 2X its original size. If you want the best results your PIP image should be equal in image size as the main image I.E 1280x720 or 1920x1080.

When you shrink The PIP to fit inside your main image, you will maintain the quality. Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

Marious79 [Avatar]
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Carl312, I am NOT importing a small image. Actually, I even tried a bigger one (e.g. 1300x400) and resized it to 1280 to make sure I do not exceed the original size - still poor quality.
Please check the screenshot - it is EXACTLY the same size as the original one.



Not sure what you mean by resizing - it is PIP, my background clip is e.g. 1920x1080, I insert an image/clip e.g. 400x400 and keep it as 400x400. I expect PD to produce this PIP with the original quality as I DO NOT resize it at all. Unfortunatelly it does not.

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ynotfish
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Hi Marious79 -

Of course you'd like to get crisp clean PiPs in the produced file. I can see the difference between your original & how it appears in the produced video in your "err-pd" screen shot.

Could you please attach one of your original graphics - not a screen shot? I'd like to test it here to try to narrow down the issue.

I just overlaid 2 video files, both 1920x1080, then planted a 1280x720 crop from a high resolution test pattern. I deliberately chose media that was "prone to error" and highlight any issues. A side-by-side screen shot is attached. If you like, you can download the *produced file here*.

Could you also post screenshots showing the PiP in the produced files by the other NLEs you tested?

Cheers - Tony
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Marious79 [Avatar]
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Yes, I have it ready. The background image, PIP image and the final clip
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Marious79 [Avatar]
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And as promised - the same project compiled by Adobe Premiere..



I really hope I am making a stupid, simple mistake here...
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I did tests here all quality slightly inferior to HD video Mac.

My doubts whether the image "mac-address.png" posted is not exactly what you used.

I think you create, Banner greater than 470x229, can give slightly better results.

2 snapshot extracted video, mac and pd13 for comparison.



Could save, Pack Project Materials .. zip folder post here.

Facilitates, we do exactly as you did.
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Marious79 [Avatar]
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PlaySound, is pd13.jpg the one you produced using PD13?
What is mac.jpg pls?
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Online
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Hi Marious -

I've played around with this a few times and I'm struggling to get PDR13 to generate the difference in picture quality you posted with your "err-pd" screen shot, which clearly showed degradation in PQ.

Part of the image below is your original "hd-mac.png". Part of it is from a produced file from PDR13 - MPEG-4 1280x720 @ 16MBps Quality Mode. Can you tell where one stops & the other starts? Can you tell which is which? Is one side better than the other? (This is not a trick)



Attached is another combination screenshot. 1 = original, 2 = PDR13 produced (Tony) 3 = Adobe Premiere... 4 = PDR13 produced (Marious). It may be my old eyes, but I'm having trouble spotting a significant difference in PQ.

See what you think laughing

Cheers - Tony
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