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4:3 Aspect Ratio with Blu-Ray?
RobertWA [Avatar]
Senior Member Joined: Sep 20, 2008 00:18 Messages: 223 Offline
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I am trying to put together a slideshow using some 4:3 photos. I set my Aspect Ratio to 4:3, import and arrange my photos, then try to burn the disc. The preview plays OK ie the photos display at 4:3 with black bars down each side, but when the disc is burned it plays back (through a Blu-Ray player and my TV, and also on my PC using PowerDVD14) at 16:9 with my photos stretched.
Is there any way around this? From reading some threads on this forum it seems that Blu-Ray only uses 16:9. Is that correct?

Thanks in advance.

Robert
BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Blue Ray is only 16:9.
You can create a widescreen video using a widescreen background, and place your photos within that.
The widescreen background can be a photo, or a video, or just a color board.
Photos and images, or even video, 4:3, can be used on top of the background.
Numerous possibilities for the appearance of your video. This is an example of a town meeting where they still use 4:3 cameras.
I feathered the edge but you can use image borders, or nothing at all.

A thousand ways to make it look good, including having images slide in-out.
Or you can produce your entire video as 4:3, THEN place it on a background.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at Dec 18. 2014 05:39

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RobertWA [Avatar]
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Thanks Barry,

I produced my 4:3 slideshow and then put it on a black colourboard. Worked fine.

Robert
JL_JL [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Location: Arizona, USA Joined: Oct 01, 2006 20:01 Messages: 6091 Offline
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Quote: Blue Ray is only 16:9.

Maybe that's the perception in PD menu system but not generically true.

RobertWA, if you really want a 4:3 BD, PD can create one, at least with PD12 and I'm assuming PD13 would be no different. I have not verified for PD13.

The process for PD12 and verification was presented here http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/39981.page along with success from others creating a 4:3 BD.

Jeff
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Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline
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Beleive in RobertWA inital post, he wanted full HD resolution on BD not 720x480 4x3 DVD quality on BD. I have read Jeff's link and thread here. Decided to find out myself. PD can create full HD resolution BD in 4x3 instead of 16x9. This option exist all the way back to PD9. See the attached screenshot. 1440x1080(4x3) resolutions are available in both mpeg-2 and h.264. I remember some earlier posts on this forum of someone suspicious of PD being a 32 bit app. Opened task manager earlier and see more than 4GB ram ultilized here while encoding. See it in the screenshot.

The BD burned successfully. Also attached is the mediainfo showing than the BD content is indeed high resolution 4x3. Played the BD in both pdvd10 and my standalone BD player. See something disturbing. On my HDTV. All the photos are full screen with no black bars. The 4x3 photos are cropped at the top and bottom. The 16x9 photos in the mix displayed properly with no cropping at all. Changed the TV aspect ratio from 16x9 to 4x3 and people appear too skinny as black bars now appear on both sides of the screen.

From what I see here, Barry has the best solution so far. I don't want 720x480(4x3) sd video or 1440x1080(4x3) hd video that will be cropped on my hdtv. I think a better solution for me would be to batch resize all those 16 megapixel photos from my nikon to 1440x1080 and put them in a 16x9 photo frame using a photo editor. I had been used to creating 3 hour BD's in less than 1 hour using svrt in the past. It took 14 min. to create 2 min. of 16 megapixel photos on the timeline. This test shows me that the pc is working hard on non resized content.
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mediainfo on created BD content.
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1440x1080 resolution available.
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GGRussell [Avatar]
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I always thought that 1440x1080 was HDV format (anamorphic 16:9 non-square pixels). Your results is what I would have expected. I have a Canon HDV camcorder which records at 1440x1080. Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
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JL_JL [Avatar]
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My error I guess, I didn't glean from OP that he wanted HD. To me the main goal was a 4:3 playback on BD. The method I referenced does create a true 4:3 display aspect ratio output at a fairly high bitrate, ~8600Kbps, so looks pretty good for those that want a true 4:3 on BD that scales correctly for multiple display devices of original 4:3 content.

1440x1080 is not really a true 4:3 format hence the display issues. It has a 4:3 frame aspect ratio, a 4:3 pixel aspect ratio, and a 16:9 display aspect ratio. It is a HD format for 16:9 display so won't suit the 4:3 display requirements and will not scale correctly.

Not sure why, but the media info posted was
Bit rate : 6 138 Kbps
Width : 1 440 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9

I wouldn't even call the 6138Kbps video bitrate at that frame size a reasonable candidate, just too low for good quality.

Jeff
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Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline
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In the past I thought so too. This does not explain RobertWA's initial post about his 4x3 aspect ratio photos being stretched through his BD player and TV and also with PDVD. I assume that he posted because he couldn't change it on his BD players or his TV. Did not have that stretch problem here but do have the cropping which I did not expect. Each BD player and TV combination seem to be different.

Update - Erased the BD-RE after posting. After seeing G Russell's comment, recreated the BD with fewer photos. To my surprise, the BD played in both pdvd10 and my standalone BD player in the correct aspect ratio with no cropping. Didn't do anything different other than cycle the aspect ratio on the hdtv earlier.

Recreated the BD again with only 4 photos to post here. The 4x3 photos have black bars on the sides and the 16x9 photos are full screen. Again, no changes in encoding, still 1440x1080. Displays properly in wmp and vlc also. Go figure...


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BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Quote:
Quote: Blue Ray is only 16:9.

Maybe that's the perception in PD menu system but not generically true.
RobertWA, if you really want a 4:3 BD, PD can create one, at least with PD12 and I'm assuming PD13 would be no different. I have not verified for PD13.
The process for PD12 and verification was presented here http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/39981.page along with success from others creating a 4:3 BD.
Jeff

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