PD13 265 4K HEVC appears broken.

Eugen157

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Nov 29, 2014 14:40

I finally got a 4K TV, a Vizio P series 70" set and it looks like a keeper.

Its USB port will accept 4K 265 HEVC video material, downloads in that format work fine and look great as do 4K 264 conversions to HEVC created by the free software "HANDBRAKE", (SVN6446 nightly build 64 bit ver).

The same 265 HEVC 4K files created by PD13 cannot be played on that TV set, the image is 4 times bigger, that is only 1/4 appears on the screen. The TV info indicates the proper format for all files played, so does MediaInfo.

Bummer

Eugene

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SoNic67

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Nov 29, 2014 19:02

Is that the project that you render for almost a week?

It might be a bug in the Vizio player - other players (like WMC-HC) have no issues with it?

Eugen157

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Nov 30, 2014 16:11

Took the same USB PD13 265 HEVC stick to BestBuy, it will not play on a Sony as well but ok on a Panasonic.

The same video encoded by HANDBRAKE to the same 265 4K HEVC standard works fine on all 3, Vizio, Sony and Panasonic.

Eugene

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SoNic67

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Nov 30, 2014 19:32

That's sad... I guess the format is so new that miss-understandings of standard will happen for a while.

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Nov 30, 2014 22:03

Sadly the video industry has been like this for several years. Similar issues arose when AVC (h264) came along. And that was only 5 years ago !

There are no "standards". Only approximations. Win 10, i7

jmone

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Nov 30, 2014 22:10

A small sample of each would help to see what is different
Thanks
Nathan PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Eugen157

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Dec 01, 2014 11:43

Hello Nathan,

enclosed is the original camera file , a PD13 HEVC conversion and one produced by handbrake.

Thanks

Eugene

PS Just realized how big these files are I can do it again.NEXT POST

Filename	ORIGINAL.MP4	Download
Description
Filesize	58075 Kbytes
Downloaded:	155 time(s)

Filename	HANDBRAKE HEVC.mp4	Download
Description
Filesize	36293 Kbytes
Downloaded:	176 time(s)

Filename	PD13 HEVC.mp4	Download
Description
Filesize	36798 Kbytes
Downloaded:	168 time(s)

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Eugen157

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Dec 01, 2014 12:11

Same with shorter files.

Filename	HANDBRAKE HEVC 2.mp4	Download
Description
Filesize	14063 Kbytes
Downloaded:	162 time(s)

Filename	ORIGINAL 2.MP4	Download
Description
Filesize	19574 Kbytes
Downloaded:	142 time(s)

Filename	PD13 HEVC 2.mp4	Download
Description
Filesize	14222 Kbytes
Downloaded:	151 time(s)

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CYBERLINK PLEASE ADD UHD BLU RAY BURNING SOFTWARE
PD14,
Win10,64bit.CPU i7 6700,16GB ,C= 480 GB SSD ,GPU GTX1060 6GB 1 fan. Plus 3 int, 4 ext HDD's for video etc.LG WH16NS40 reads UHD.
4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A

jmone

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Dec 01, 2014 13:30

Thanks, I'll have a look in a couple of days when I'm back. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

jmone

Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline

Dec 03, 2014 21:03

Welcome to the bleeding edge! I tested against LAV Filters on the PC and could not get a picture with HEVC in an MP4 container but it was fine in M2TS or MKV (I'm not even sure it is officially supported in an MP4 container but it is my M2TS and MKV).

FYI - some recent comments from Hendrik (aka Nevcairiel) the author of LAV Filters regarding the current state of play with HEVC.

A couple of thoughts:

- There is no encoder yet that can actually reach that promised goal (50% size at same quality). Best result right now is marginal space savings at the same quality. Expect years before that goal is reached, it took years for H.264 encoders to become "good".
- The only encoder being able to deliver that (x265) is much slower than a H.264 encoder would be, right now you can plan for like 12 hours for one movie, to get to a decent quality/space level.
- Decoding of H.265 is much slower than H.264, and there is no hardware acceleration, forget about playing those on a low-end system for the coming years (or god beware, mobile devices).

Personally, I think its at least 1-2 years too early to invest in H.265/HEVC.

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PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

Eugen157

Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline

Dec 04, 2014 13:25

I totally agree with that. I converted a 90 min 4K 264 to 4K 265 HEVC, took from Friday eve to Tuesday afternoon. We were on a cruise so I did not need the computer and it had auto shutoff.

My reason for encoding was the ability of our TV to play 4K 265 HEVC but NOT 4K 264 !!

I ordered a probox2 to play 4K 264 material via HDMI to the 4K TV. That way no conversions and PQ loss.

Thanks

Eugene 73s, WA6JZN ex DL9GC
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4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A

jmone

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Dec 04, 2014 14:46

Seems like a very good idea - I use HTPC's to do my decoding to the TV (just use them as a big Monitor). PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG

GGRussell

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Dec 05, 2014 09:13

Eugene -- which camcorder did you use to shoot that clip? Thanks Intel i7 4770k, 16GB, GTX1060 3GB, Two 240GB SSD, 4TB HD, Sony HDR-TD20V 3D camcorder, Sony SLT-A65VK for still images, Windows 10 Pro, 64bit
Gary Russell -- TN USA

Eugen157

Senior Contributor Location: Palm Springs area, So.CA Joined: Dec 10, 2012 13:57 Messages: 662 Offline

Dec 05, 2014 10:43

Sony FDR AX100

Here is a compressed YouTube sample in 4K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD1lwj_iGvM

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4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A

PepsiMan

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Dec 05, 2014 19:45

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Quote: Sony FDR AX100

Here is a compressed YouTube sample in 4K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD1lwj_iGvM

Eugene

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