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stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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No, it proves that the transitions ARE the problem- Incorrect placement.

Try using one transition for the entire video. Seolect one and add it to your favorites. Then go to the favorites and select to apply that transition to all. Select the type of transition and the duration. After you have done that, are the flashes still there?

Edit: I just started looking at the vimeo video and saw several flashes near the start of the video. It seems that there is a transition between the first and second scenes because there is no jump from one to the nest.

Do you have other program running while editing the video? Turn off your anti-virus after disconnection from the internet and try again.



EDIT Again: Perhaps I'm looking at the wrong video ?

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Longedge [Avatar]
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Quote: Ok here is a short cip with the transitions removed. No flashing.




?? Is that the right link because it has got flashes in it (between 3 & 5 seconds particularly). I'm afraid I'm out of suggestions.

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laserdoc [Avatar]
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yes that shot clip I left the transition at the start of the video. Then I took them out for the rest of the video
stevek
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Quote: yes that shot clip I left the transition at the start of the video. Then I took them out for the rest of the video


That is not waht you said; not that we don;t trust you. undecided

Try adding the transitions the easy way. Start with NO transitions. Select a transition you want to use for the entire video, Add that transition to your favorites. Select to add transitions and go to favories. Select that transition and select to apply to all. Select how you want that transiton to act and then select to apply to all. Output the project to a file and watch it. Any flashes?

If so, then I give up. There is somethign else going on your computer. .
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laserdoc [Avatar]
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will try this next.Thanks
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Just one last suggestion - don't keep making changes to the project that you have problems with. Start a completely new one, do a test render each time you add an anything at all and establish exactly where the problem begins.
ynotfish
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Hi laserdoc -

A couple of things come to mind, even though you're already getting sound advice... particularly Longedge's last suggestion.


  1. The clips look a little over-saturated. Did you pre-render them with effects applied, or are the FX applied in your final project?

  2. Are you using Cross-type or Overlap-type transitions? If you really need transitions, I'd make them overlap-type and decrease duration. Those frames where different clips appear together are a bit of a distraction - like 11-15 in Longedge's screenshots and the one attached.

  3. I may have missed it but what format/profile are you using to produce? The video bitrate seems a bit low (maybe they were just quick upoad samples). e.g. when you're flying over the roof - 40-45 sec - there's shimmering in the tiles.


If it makes you feel any better (it won't), I've had some perfectly good source clips almost demolished with transitions. If they can't render smoothly, I ditch them.

Cheers - Tony
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laserdoc [Avatar]
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Quote: Hi laserdoc -

A couple of things come to mind, even though you're already getting sound advice... particularly Longedge's last suggestion.


  1. The clips look a little over-saturated. Did you pre-render them with effects applied, or are the FX applied in your final project?

  2. Are you using Cross-type or Overlap-type transitions? If you really need transitions, I'd make them overlap-type and decrease duration. Those frames where different clips appear together are a bit of a distraction - like 11-15 in Longedge's screenshots and the one attached.

  3. I may have missed it but what format/profile are you using to produce? The video bitrate seems a bit low (maybe they were just quick upoad samples). e.g. when you're flying over the roof - 40-45 sec - there's shimmering in the tiles.


If it makes you feel any better (it won't), I've had some perfectly good source clips almost demolished with transitions. If they can't render smoothly, I ditch them.

Cheers - Tony





  1. After I put my video clips into the time line I go to I select video inhancment and click apply to all Or at times I mess with the contrast ,hue, brightness etc.... sometimes.

  2. Then I insert the transition and use overlap. They were set to 2 min. I dropped it to 1 min. SHould I go lower than 1 min. Say 10 to 30 sec.?? testing one set at 1 min as I type.

  3. I either produce to vimeo or you tube. I choose the 720 p HD option on either one. Or I will pick H264 MP4. ,

  4. I see the shimmering and that is a huge concern to me. How do I get rid of that??

  5. I use the fade transition that is in the library on program. Are the stock ones that come with PD14 good or are there other ones I can down load that are better for what Im doing



I bet when this problem is over it might be user error !!!. If it is then the sight here is working as everone learns from others mistakes etc....

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laserdoc [Avatar]
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I think I got it !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fatyI0Q7__A
I changed the transitions to overlap,slowed down the transition time to 29 seconds each. Used hardware accelerator downloaded straight to you tube at 1080 P
Took 7 min 30 sec
Black lines gone
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Quote: I think I got it !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fatyI0Q7__A
I changed the transitions to overlap,slowed down the transition time to 29 seconds each. Used hardware accelerator downloaded straight to you tube at 1080 P
Took 7 min 30 sec
Black lines gone


Glad that you got a good video this time around. The transition time can’t be the 2 min, 1 min, or 29 sec. each as they look like about a 1 sec. transition. See the attached screenshot for a 1 sec. transition. Duration is in hours, minutes, seconds, and frames.

2.3 hours before and now only 7 min 30 sec. to create this 3 minute video is a lot of time difference. Let us know why there is such a time discrepancy.

An earlier video created show those moire artifacts(shimmering) on rooftops indicating an interlaced instead of a progressive video like this one during your testing. Do you know if those particular source video were shot as interlaced instead of progressive...
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ynotfish
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You're flying! By the way, you mean 29 frames not 29 seconds laughing Edit: superfluous - tomasc just said that!

From your previous post, I took it that you were using PDR's Vimeo uploader - which means it would have been a 720p WMV @ ~8Mbps (depending on the profile selected). That alone would have created some artefacts, such as the shimmering roof tiles.

Those soft wipe transitions are less prone to motion glitches than regular fades, from my observation.

What I was going to suggest was NOT uploading via PDR, but directly to Vimeo/YouTube as you've now done.

These are superfluous now, but I made some 20 second examples showing how Vimeo deals with each:

WMV 720p HD Quality - PDR's uploader

WMV 1080p @ 12Mbps - Direct upload

MP4 1080p @ 16Mbps - Direct upload

M2TS UHD @ 30Mbps - Direct upload

Cheers - Tony

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laserdoc [Avatar]
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I have know idea why the difference to produce went from 2 hours to 7 min.

Video shot with my camera was 1080p and at 30fps. I'm wondering about going to 60fps

Is vimeo better to use than youtube??

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ynotfish
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It may have taken longer to produce if you were re-rendering as WMV (high compression), rather than the same/similar format & profile of your camera. It will take longer to produce if PDR is also rendering effects & enhancements.

Vimeo or YouTube? Different strokes - depends what you're after. Here are some others' views on that:

http://sproutsocial.com/insights/youtube-vs-vimeo-business/

http://blogs.techsmith.com/tips-how-tos/youtube-vs-vimeo-whats-the-difference/

http://mavsocial.com/vimeo-vs-youtube-online-video-platform/

Cheers - Tony
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laserdoc [Avatar]
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Quote: You're flying! By the way, you mean 29 frames not 29 seconds laughing Edit: superfluous - tomasc just said that!

From your previous post, I took it that you were using PDR's Vimeo uploader - which means it would have been a 720p WMV @ ~8Mbps (depending on the profile selected). That alone would have created some artefacts, such as the shimmering roof tiles.

Those soft wipe transitions are less prone to motion glitches than regular fades, from my observation.

What I was going to suggest was NOT uploading via PDR, but directly to Vimeo/YouTube as you've now done.

These are superfluous now, but I made some 20 second examples showing how Vimeo deals with each:

WMV 720p HD Quality - PDR's uploader

WMV 1080p @ 12Mbps - Direct upload

MP4 1080p @ 16Mbps - Direct upload

M2TS UHD @ 30Mbps - Direct upload

Cheers - Tony


Tony, Which is better if I want to upload straight to you tube or viemo. MP4 or the M2TS option.

Im thinking alot of the time issue was the enhancements I did where I applied to all option. I went back and got rid of those enhancements and bam!! 2 + hours turned into 7 min.
ynotfish
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MP4 or M2TS? 6 of one - half a dozen of the other. For my home productions, I generally use M2TS but typically MP4 for YouTube uploads.

Upload a couple of test pieces - MP4 & M2TS - & see what works best for you.

Here are two, both 1920x1080 @ 16Mbps:

M2TS

MP4

Much of a muchness.

Cheers - Tony
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laserdoc [Avatar]
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Which transition do you use and the duration
Both look good. Really can't see a big difference. Do you film at 30 fps or 60 fps
ynotfish
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A regular old Fade transition - Overlap type - set at 1 sec. I only made it 1 sec because I was trying to replicate your timeline a bit. Usually, if I use transitions, they're shorter - 15-20 frames.
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I'm still wondering why I had issues with the fade transitions Might have been several things. The enhancements I made. The duration I had left at 2 sec then dropped down to 29. And the crossfade, maybe. May go back to 60 fps next time I film. But then again I may see no difference between 30 and 60.
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