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Can your PD12 transcode my attached video to any other video formats with sound?
aprilsong [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 05, 2014 21:04 Messages: 6 Offline
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Hi there.

Can your PD12 transcode my attached video to any other video formats with sound?

Short sample clip (DVB-T2 stream used in my country)
http://www4.zippyshare.com/v/13885851/file.html

Thank you!
 Filename
MediaInfo.txt
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 Description
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6 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
429 time(s)
ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Hi aprilsong -

Here, PD12 imported your clip as 2 files - cyberlinkpd12.ts & cyberlinkpd12.ts (1). It would not play the audio, but the video was fine.

Just for interest, various media players played the video correctly but treated the audio differently:
- VLC - no audio
- Splash Pro - no audio
- WMP - no audio
- MPC - scrambled audio
- GOM Player - played audio correctly

After converting your clip to MPEG-4 using Format Factory, it imported & played in PD12 perfectly.

So - I guess the short answer is no.

Cheers - Tony

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aprilsong [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 05, 2014 21:04 Messages: 6 Offline
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Thanks Tony.

It's always the AAC LATM 5.1 audio causing the problem. Seems like there isn't any good windows codec for such audio.

The video has 3 audio tracks. It's a pity that we cannot choose which audio track we want to use in PD for the transcoding.

Using 2 or more softwares to get things done is really troublesome and may decrease the quality of final output.
anterak [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Jun 13, 2012 13:46 Messages: 13 Offline
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try with tsmuxers http://www.videohelp.com/tools/tsMuxeR
you can separate the video from the audio track (ac3) and import them separately in powerdirector. not need to encode, it is very fast

this is probably not the best solution but it is faster than converting everything into another format

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aprilsong [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 05, 2014 21:04 Messages: 6 Offline
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Thanks anterak for the suggestion.

But I have other channels which only has AAC LATM 5.1/AAC LATM stereo dual audio tracks and tsmuxers does not work with them.

Many big name video editors does not work correctly with such audio too, really weird.
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Audacity can convert the audio to a mono channel MP3.

Powerdirector 12 can take the cyberlink pd12.ts video and combine with the MP3 audio, produce a m2ts that plays.
I produced the video at 1920x1080

Attached MP3 audio and the MediaInfo Text file of the produced video.

 Filename
cyberlink pd12.mp3
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 Description
Converted audio in Audacity
 Filesize
236 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
459 time(s)
 Filename
Cyberlink PD12.m2ts.txt
[Disk]
 Description
MediaInfo of file.
 Filesize
5 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
402 time(s)

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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Quote: Using 2 or more softwares to get things done is really troublesome and may decrease the quality of final output.


Hi aprilsong -

Since you've found the same thing with other software, it's looking more likely that including some extra steps is going to be necessary. Converting the video doesn't necessarily need to significantly affect quality - you just need to be careful with the settings. Carl's suggestion of converting the audio only means that video quality won't be compromised at all.

Example of above (back on my FormatFactory suggestion):
I just converted your ts file, retaining resolution, framerate, bitrate and 6 channel audio. It plays beautifully in PD. MediaInfo report attached.

PD will not extract the audio, by the way, & some converters I tried wouldn't even look at it!

Cheers - Tony
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aprilsong ts conversion
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372 time(s)

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optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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I can play your clip and audio in Windows Media Player (Win 8.1 Pro) perfectly. I can also play it with ffmpeg's "ffplay" tool, but in VLC and PD there's only video.

To add to what Tony has stated, I'm afraid that you'll need to use a conversion program on these clips because PD12 does not support AC3 audio!

From the PD12 specs page:
Audio File (Import) ▪ WAV, MP3, WMA, M4A, OGG
Audio Format (Import) ▪ AAC, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS, WAVE, MPEG-1 Layer III



CL's AudioDirector supports more audio formats, but does not support AC3:
Import Audio MP3, WAV, WMA, M4A, FLAC, OGG, AIFF, AIF


FWIW, it only took 10 seconds to convert your Cif commercial to MP4 using FormatFactory, but it converted the 5.1 HD audio to stereo. See attached for quality assessment.

 Filename
cyberlink pd12.mp4
[Disk]
 Description
"cyberlink pd12.ts" clip converted to .mp4
 Filesize
20757 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
309 time(s)


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jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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FYI - the aac latm has come up before (an yes PD12 does not support it) though other packages do - http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/37872.page;jsessionid=713782DF6A1CFE7028D32E5B2C3C6D59

Also FYI, PD12 does support AC3 (referred to as "Dolby Digital")

From Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital
This format has different names:
Dolby Digital
DD (an abbreviation for Dolby Digital, often combined with channel count; for instance, DD 2.0, DD 5.1)
AC-3 (Audio Codec 3, Advanced Codec 3, Acoustic Coder 3. [These are backronyms. Adaptive Transform Acoustic Coding 3 is a separate format developed by Sony.])[12]
ATSC A/52 (name of the standard)[13]

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optodata
Senior Contributor Location: California, USA Joined: Sep 16, 2011 16:04 Messages: 8630 Offline
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My mistake on not recognizing that Dolby Digital is also known as AC3.

Too bad CL didn't list it in the audio formats as something like "Dolby Digital (AC3)." I think that would be a more complete approach.


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ynotfish
Senior Contributor Location: N.S.W. Australia Joined: May 08, 2009 02:06 Messages: 9977 Offline
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Jeez I wish my memory worked the way it's supposed to!

That's odd, Nathan. The previous file from http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/37872.page#194830 had different playback results to the one under current discussion... the earlier one had only 2 audio components according to MediaInfo.

Of course, they both have AAC - LATM in common.

Cheers - Tony
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jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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I'm forgetting stuff too as this topic was only vaguely familiar till I googed it! Anyway the topic is really the same, both OPs wanted a AAC-LATM track which PD just does support. I'm sure it will get support at some point as this is growing in popularity.

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Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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No probs - optodata, lots of terms get flung around and interchanged making most of us confused at some points. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
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Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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