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DVD authoring using AVCHD files is poor-solved
Heavytiger [Avatar]
Contributor Joined: Jun 21, 2008 10:16 Messages: 474 Offline
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In the past I posted that when I tried to author AVCHD video to a blu-ray disc the quality was very poor using PowerDirector. My work around was to convert to High definition MPEG 2. The results were good but MPEG 2 takes up a lot more space.

I recently tried to author to a standard DVD disc using AVCHD video and again the video was poor even though there is a setting for it in the create disc options. The video when watched on a Sony set top blu ray player or on my computer looks like it has two layers. There is a grainy ghost like layer underneath the main video.

I have an old version of Pinnacle studio (version 14). When I author a DVD with it using the same AVCHD file the video is very crisp when played on the The Sony blu ray player or on my computer. Therefore, it is not my blu ray burner or the discs. This makes me think I am doing something incorrect in PowerDirector although I can't imagine what that would be.

I did a screen shot to show the settings I am using and also attached a 7 sec AVCHD clip if anyone would like to try and author to a DVD or a DVD RW to see the results.

thanks to anyone who gives this a try.

HT
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at Apr 18. 2014 10:55

Windows 10 professional
HP Omen Obelisk DT 875-1131
Intel Core i7(3.6GHz)
Eight Core
Memory 32 GB
GPU Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super
Power supply 750 Watt


Using PD 11 ultimate build 11.0.03026

Heavytiger


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I burn to DVD HQ on -RW disc, then play in PS4.
Cannot see two layers.

btw, it is fine as well if I burn to AVCHD disc.
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tomasc [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline
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Created your avchd dvd-rw and a folder with true theater setting earlier with PD. The video quality is excellent on PDVD and on my standalone BD player. Do not see the 'two layers'. This forum would not allow me to upload the zipped created avchd folder here as an attachment to this message.

Used PS12 and PS15 n the past. HA must be enabled but all HD is rerendered using cpu only. PD on the other hand has has smart rendering if you do the settings correctly.
Heavytiger [Avatar]
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Thanks for your efforts. I am still unable to author a sharp AVCHD video on a DVD. I even tried producing to AVCHD 1920x1080/60i first then burning with smart fit but no success. I have tried but 1080i/60 and 1080p/60 with the project set at the correct frame rate. Even the power director menu doesn't look sharp on my computer or my TV. I have tried different discs and different burners with no success. The only thing that works is to use my old Pinnacle studio 14 program but I much prefer to edit in PD.
The extra video layer that I get looks sort of pencil sketchy and when mixed with the good video makes the overall video look bad. Any thoughts?

HT


Windows 10 professional
HP Omen Obelisk DT 875-1131
Intel Core i7(3.6GHz)
Eight Core
Memory 32 GB
GPU Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super
Power supply 750 Watt


Using PD 11 ultimate build 11.0.03026

Heavytiger


tomasc [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline
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Unzip and burn your 7 sec video to dvd+rw using imgburn as avchd disc. Is the video like the original clear as a bell? If it is then it is your setting. Let us know the result.
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Heavytiger [Avatar]
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By unzipping do you mean to find the video in the stream folder. I have done that. Also can you give me a safe link to get imgburn so extra junk won't be downloaded along with the imgburn program?

Ht Windows 10 professional
HP Omen Obelisk DT 875-1131
Intel Core i7(3.6GHz)
Eight Core
Memory 32 GB
GPU Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super
Power supply 750 Watt


Using PD 11 ultimate build 11.0.03026

Heavytiger


Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: By unzipping do you mean to find the video in the stream folder. I have done that. Also can you give me a safe link to get imgburn so extra junk won't be downloaded along with the imgburn program?

Ht

Pay close attention to the installer dialog when installing Imgburn. Or any free software.

If you do a Custom install you can uncheck those options. Nearly all free software is coming with extra software to pay the bills.
You can opt out of the extra if you pay close attention on custom install.

The extra junk is in the installer which is what you download.

Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

Heavytiger [Avatar]
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I tried to be careful installing imgburn but still must have installed something. When on line I get a pop up that says please update your version of media player. Not Microsoft media player but just media player. I dare not click on it.

Also, are there any video tutorials how to burn AVCHD video to a DVD disc with imgburn?

HT Windows 10 professional
HP Omen Obelisk DT 875-1131
Intel Core i7(3.6GHz)
Eight Core
Memory 32 GB
GPU Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super
Power supply 750 Watt


Using PD 11 ultimate build 11.0.03026

Heavytiger


Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: I tried to be careful installing imgburn but still must have installed something. When on line I get a pop up that says please update your version of media player. Not Microsoft media player but just media player. I dare not click on it.

Also, are there any video tutorials how to burn AVCHD video to a DVD disc with imgburn?

HT

Yes, Imgburn has help online.
http://imgburn.com/index.php?act=guides

Uninstall the extra software, you should be able to see it in Control Panel > Programs and Features.

If you do a custom Install, you should be able to see the places to decline or uncheck the extra software.
I have installed Imgburn on one computer without the extra software.

Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

Heavytiger [Avatar]
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Sorry I have been slow to respond. My car died. Carl thanks for your suggestions on downloading Imgburn.

Tomasc I extracted the video you made for me. I haven't had time to learn Imgburn but I did the test burning with Pinnacle studio 14 and with my original file and the remake of it from you. In both cases either file burned crystal clear using studio 14 and they both burned with poor quality using Powerdirector. I get ghost like images and some pixels.
If I burn to bluray with powerdirector as mpeg 2 everything is clear. I am stumped. I would like to burn short HD videos to DVD's as AVCHD using PD

Ht

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Windows 10 professional
HP Omen Obelisk DT 875-1131
Intel Core i7(3.6GHz)
Eight Core
Memory 32 GB
GPU Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super
Power supply 750 Watt


Using PD 11 ultimate build 11.0.03026

Heavytiger


tomasc [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline
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Follow this guide: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/107100-avchd-disc-how-create.html

Step 1 has already been created on PowerDirector for you and the two folders zipped. You already unzipped it last week.
Follow the guide starting with step 2: Burning to Disc not step 1.
Heavytiger [Avatar]
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I tired but Imgburn gets stuck at 32% synchronizing cashe. It also froze when I tired to do a full disc erase of a DVD RW but I figured out how to do a quick erase from the tools menu. See attachment.
I am a little confused why I need to do a Imgburn test. Dosen't my test using Pinnacle studio to burn a AVCHd to a DVD prove that the problem is with PD since the AVCHD video burned with Pinnacle is clear. Maybe some setting?

Ht
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Windows 10 professional
HP Omen Obelisk DT 875-1131
Intel Core i7(3.6GHz)
Eight Core
Memory 32 GB
GPU Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super
Power supply 750 Watt


Using PD 11 ultimate build 11.0.03026

Heavytiger


tomasc [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline
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Don't know why imgburn don't work on your computer. Attached is a screencap from my desktop. Look at the ImgBurn log on the left. It took less than 1 minute to burn and verify the BDMV folder to DVD+RW and then playback with wmp from the disc. The playback was perfect as you can see on the top right of the desktop. There is a forum for imgburn.

It looks like your Imgburn and PD never installed properly on your computer for whatever reason. Two users on this forum took the time to create your video on disc and it worked perfectly for us. You say you are confused why you need to do an imgburn test. You don't. Those created folders and files come from a properly working PD for you to burn. We don't want to mail you a disc. You could have used Power2Go - the paid for full version only, Nero, Roxio, or other burner program to accomplish the same thing as Imgburn. Imgburn is free where the others are not. It is probably time for others to chime in.

You already posted on 8/03/2013 and 8/20/2013 about this same problem, 9/16/2013 about 25fps video, 3/23/2014 about using imgburn, and you have asked about svrt and hardware acceleration many times. The video you posted here is 29.97 fps. Make sure you have set in preferences: ntsc drop frame and not pal. Uncheck Hardware acceleration in preferences and give it a try.
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Tesityr
Senior Member Location: Canada, eh Joined: Apr 08, 2014 05:35 Messages: 154 Offline
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If I may pop in, Heavytiger:

You don't mean the Interlacing, do you?
I played it back on a player with Deinterlacing enabled, yet there was still some lines/'teeth' showing up. Is that what you are referring to? (I'm sorry to state something that may be too obvious/silly, but you never know what people see, it's hard to see through their eyes)
Also, the plants in your clip "00091.MTS" are quite blurry, but that could possibly be the camera (it may not focus the entire frame perfectly, not many cameras do).
I do see some things other things 'off' with your video, like some very light Gibbs Effects (along the hill crest and the man's jacket edge, for example); but it is difficult to tell what is causing it.

Can you upload a clip like "00091.MTS" that is the same shot, but is the output that Pinnacle Studio creates? Then we could see a difference in the two output/results from each piece of software.

An interesting conundrum - good luck with it!
Heavytiger [Avatar]
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Hi Tomasc and Game tips person (response 1)

Tomasc your screecap looks great. I attached 2 screecaps to show my settings. I think they were correct.

What is interesting is when I am in edit mode video in the player looks pretty good but as soon as I switch to create disc the video is distorted. Even the PD menu Around the world is distorted. Screencap 3 shows zig-zag or zipper like distortion along all the edges. The Lettering of New York, London etc is distorted. Screencap 4 the pip under "My Videos", if looked at closely shows zig-zag lines on the left side of the ladies hat in the foreground. Screencap 5 was taken in edit mode and is much sharper and no zig-zag lines on the ladies hat.
Because I have so many screecaps I have to divide my response into two parts

HT
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HP Omen Obelisk DT 875-1131
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Eight Core
Memory 32 GB
GPU Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super
Power supply 750 Watt


Using PD 11 ultimate build 11.0.03026

Heavytiger


Heavytiger [Avatar]
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Hi Tomasc and Game tips person (response 2)

Attached is screencap 4 and 5 I mentioned in my first response.

Screencap 6 is from a AVCHD RW created in Pinnacle. No distortion.

Game tips person I am glad you popped in the conversation. As Tomasc mentioned I have been trying to figure this out for awhile.

My Pinnacle studio 14 cannot create a AVCHD file for me to send you but I can create a mpeg4 file if you want me to. I would even be willing to mail someone a RW if necessary. The original video from my camcorder is quite clear.

HT
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Windows 10 professional
HP Omen Obelisk DT 875-1131
Intel Core i7(3.6GHz)
Eight Core
Memory 32 GB
GPU Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super
Power supply 750 Watt


Using PD 11 ultimate build 11.0.03026

Heavytiger


tomasc [Avatar]
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You are very confused. In your first post here on 4/1/2014 you say you wanted std dvd but your 4/1/2014 screenshot show that you are trying to create a avchd disc.
In your 4/12/2014 post Preference settings 2.png show that you have Hardware acceleration checked after which you was already told to leave it unchecked.
Around the world with opening video distortion.png show that you have smartfit checked but your 4/1/2014 screenshot you left it unchecked.
You provided a Screen capture from disc made from pinnacle no zig-zag lines on hat.png
You did not provide a screen capture from disc made from PD but only a screenshot of the preview of your menu before the disc is burned.

Can you have a neighbor come over and do these 3 things for you. Sometimes a 3rd party do things differently.
1. Uncheck Hardware Acceleration and leave it unchecked.
2. Uncheck Smartfit.
3. Uncheck Enable CyberLink True Theater Surround.
Burn the video to DVD+RW using 00091.MTS.
Have the neighbor check the settings afterwards to see that the above settings 1, 2, and 3 haven't changed. If any steps changed, keep repeating the above until all those settings remain the same.

Let us know if you are successful this time.
Heavytiger [Avatar]
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Hi Tomasc

Thank you very very much. I burned a good DVD RW AVCHD. I had the hardware acceleration on because without it video is choppy when I do a preview in the make disc mode. I also thought burning to a DVD or a DVD RW would be the same except for erasing the RW.

So I suppose I can edit with Hardware acceleration on but just remember to turn it off when burning to a disc.
And I suppose this would apply to bluray as well. What settings would I use to burn AVCHD video to bluray. The MPEG 4 setting?

I don't understand why I had to turn off smart fit. And would that apply to burning all types of discs?

thanks you so much for your help

HT Windows 10 professional
HP Omen Obelisk DT 875-1131
Intel Core i7(3.6GHz)
Eight Core
Memory 32 GB
GPU Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super
Power supply 750 Watt


Using PD 11 ultimate build 11.0.03026

Heavytiger


tomasc [Avatar]
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Think that we are all glad that you burned a good PD avchd disc. It is a good start. Your questions have all previously been answered by the senior contributors here as suggestions. Please don't dismiss their answers as just suggestions. This has been a long thread. Please start a new thread for each of the 3 question so that others may give you answers on each new threads.
Tesityr
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Quote: Hi Tomasc and Game tips person (response 2)

Attached is screencap 4 and 5 I mentioned in my first response.

Screencap 6 is from a AVCHD RW created in Pinnacle. No distortion.

Game tips person I am glad you popped in the conversation. As Tomasc mentioned I have been trying to figure this out for awhile.

My Pinnacle studio 14 cannot create a AVCHD file for me to send you but I can create a mpeg4 file if you want me to. I would even be willing to mail someone a RW if necessary. The original video from my camcorder is quite clear.

HT


Hey HT,

Just a quick Tip:

The reason you are seeing the 'stairs' or 'zipper' or 'zig zags' in the preview window is because it is a low-resolution representation of the video part you are working on. It is to help display things on that preview screen faster. It will not look that bad when you render it out (if you render out to a larger resolution like 1080p+). You could try making the preview window larger, which helps a bit, but it will still be just a low-resolution 'example' of what it will look like later, so the program can speedily/quickly show it to you and your effects, etc.

The same is with the Create Disc portion, it is just doing a quick resize of the video, to show you a sample of what it might look like later, those jagged edges and zigzags (they are called Aliasing, or Aliased Edges) will all be gone in the end, after a high-quality render out, don't worry - try rendering it and playing fullscreen, as you have with the Pinnacle output, and see.

Good luck with it!
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