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jmone
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Sony just announced at CES their FDR-AX100 consumer camcorder for US$2K. Some links:

http://store.sony.com/4k-camcorder-with-1-sensor-zid27-FDRAX100/B/cat-27-catid-All-Advanced-Camcorders

http://www.videomaker.com/videonews/2014/01/sony-fdr-ax100-takes-the-stage?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+videomaker%2Fvideo-news+(Video+News)

Unfortunately while the "XAVC" format is really just Level 5.2 H.264/MPEG-4 AVC and can support frame rates of up to 60fps in "4K" this camcorder will not do above 30fps. That said, 4K and 60fps will eat 128GB in 20mins!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAVC

Mmmmm a 4K camcorder doing 50 or 60fps could be on my 2014 shopping list



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Quote: Sony just announced at CES their FDR-AX100 consumer camcorder for US$2K. Some links:
http://store.sony.com/4k-camcorder-with-1-sensor-zid27-FDRAX100/B/cat-27-catid-All-Advanced-Camcorders
http://www.videomaker.com/videonews/2014/01/sony-fdr-ax100-takes-the-stage?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+videomaker%2Fvideo-news+(Video+News)
Unfortunately while the "XAVC" format is really just Level 5.2 H.264/MPEG-4 AVC and can support frame rates of up to 60fps in "4K" this camcorder will not do above 30fps. That said, 4K and 60fps will eat 128GB in 20mins!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAVC
Mmmmm a 4K camcorder doing 50 or 60fps could be on my 2014 shopping list


Hi Nathan,
I know how "inexperienced" you are in dealing with high tech gadgetry and such, so to assist you in understanding the wizardry involved with this particular one eyed monster, I volunteer to "help" you. Remember, after you buy the camera, to pack it well and send it to me for full assessment and I'll come up with a short guide for you to study before you can operate it. You understand the guide may take 6 months to produce as I may be away on a long vacation... but don't worry, I'll test the camera for you as best I can and as time will allow.


We can wish ha ha

Dafydd
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James1
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Hi,
The only thing I can see with this 4K enthusiasm is the prices of the Televisions and players to view the videos/movies. The film producers movie makers aren't making 4K movies as yet (from what i've read and it won't be till 2017 when the come out.
So consumer interest will have moved on.
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jmone
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James, you could be very well correct, especially the comments about commercial content but .... I get the feeling we will see more and more Camcorders with higher resolutions just as we do now with Photography.

For example what is the resolution of your Still Camera? Even the terrible setups on phones run at 10mp+, yet I don't have a single monitor higher than 2mp in the house, and if I print out a photo (rare these days) I've still got pixels being discarded printing up to A4.

I think the marketing of this format as "4K" is terrible, for a start the resolution is 3840 x 2160 so is twice the horizontal and vertical resolution or "4x" the resolution of the current HD "1920x1080" spec. We have always quoted Video resolutions by the number of lines (vertical resolution), 576, 720, 1080 etc, but now with 2K / 4K it is using horizontal resolution!. I'd prefer if they marketed it as 8.3MP (16:9) as consumers are already fascinated by the number of mega pixels their devices have. More is better right?

So I see a couple of benefits of these "4K" camcorders even if you only plan to produce to 1920x1080 or even lower videos
1) You can pull far better quality stills off a video stream (eg 8mp vs 2mp) so it continues to help convergence between video and still photography
2) You can now crop/zoom in on your video without the need for scaling and the visible artefacts this brings.

And how could I refuse Dafydd's kind offer... the only problem is it could be a while.... as I like higher FPS over Resolution so I'll be giving this generation a skip as I wait for the 50/60p versions! PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
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Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
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Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
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Michael8511
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I think it's going to come faster than we think. Here is a head line I see a week or two ago on the Nofilmschool website.

Netflix to Stream 'House of Cards' in 4K to Select Smart TVs This Spring

Here a link to it.
http://nofilmschool.com/2013/12/netflix-streaming-4k-house-of-cards-to-select-uhd-smart-tv/ Intel i7 5960X overclock to 4 Ghz 16 GB of ram.
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