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SimonW [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 25, 2013 13:48 Messages: 22 Offline
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Hi, I'm fairly novice with PD11.

I'm copying files from my iPhone 5s into PD11 and it says there's a TV format conflict because the input is 30 fps and the project is set to 25. I set PD11 up for PAL as I'm in the UK but I suspect I may need to set it to NSTC to get 30fps and then the ATV3 will get it as NSTC and convert it to PAL when sending to the TV - am I correct or will this cause further problems?

I don't really understand what PAL and NSTC are for in the new world of digital TV!

Thanks
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borgus1 [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Feb 27, 2013 00:33 Messages: 1318 Offline
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http://www.avsforum.com/t/1188748/why-ntsc-and-pal-still-matter-with-hdtv
SimonW [Avatar]
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Thanks Borgus1 - I sort of get it but I'm still a bit confused sorry!

So my iPhone 5s takes MP4 video in 30 fps, which sounds like its using NSTC, so its logical that when I use PD11 with a setting of UK (PAL) it will object saying it wants 25 fps.

If I then play the generated PAL output through my Apple TV 3 it works but also, if I play the original video directly through the ATV3 from the iPhone using Airplay, that also works.

There doesn't appear to be a setting on the ATV3 for PAL or NSTC, I assume its just a sending device which "moves" the video from the source device (iPhone or PC) onto the TV ?

So it appears that it works with either 25fps or 30fps so I'm confused.

Also I checked the settings on Vuze, which I use to convert videos from other formats such as AVI or MPEG2 into MP4, and it converts to 30fps....and also Handbrake which is used for DVD ripping, for which the ATV3 pre set also generates 30fps.

So basically I'm confused and just wanting to know what will be the best format to produce for all my home video, some of which was taken on a Sony digital camcorder (MPF format) and now on the iPhone 5s - so I can display it via ATV3 on a Pany TX-P50ST50B. PowerDirector 12 Build 2420
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Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: So basically I'm confused and just wanting to know what will be the best format to produce for all my home video, some of which was taken on a Sony digital camcorder (MPF format) and now on the iPhone 5s - so I can display it via ATV3 on a Pany TX-P50ST50B.

Best advice is to produce the same TV Mode/Format as your Country's default TV, If you live in a PAL country, then produce PAL.
You can set that in Preferences > General.

Press Alt+C in the Edit module will bring up preferences. Or you can click the gear on top.

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SimonW [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Mar 25, 2013 13:48 Messages: 22 Offline
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My problem is that some of my video is 25fps (Sony camcorder) and some is 30 (iPhone) and I would like to be able to use both in a project. As the ATV3 will work with both frame rates I've been experimenting with what you said and I also took the opportunity to upgrade to PD12.

When I change the "General" frame rate setting to 30 to see what NSTC looks like I was still getting 25fps in the produced file.
So I checked the Produce setting (MPEG-4 1920x1080/25p (16 Mbps) and it would appear this generates 25fps.

So 2 more questions:
1. How does the "General" frame rate setting tie in to the produced file?
2. How do you produce a 30fps MPEG4 file as there is no 30fps profile - just 24 or 25? Maybe I need to use something other than MP4 but then my ATV3 wont play it.

Thanks again
Simon
PowerDirector 12 Build 2420
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64 bit
Dell Studio XPS 7100 AMD Phenom II x6 1035T 2.6Ghz with 8 Gb RAM
ATI Radeon HD 5770 video card graphics card
Hauppauge Colossus capture card and "Capture" software
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: My problem is that some of my video is 25fps (Sony camcorder) and some is 30 (iPhone) and I would like to be able to use both in a project. As the ATV3 will work with both frame rates I've been experimenting with what you said and I also took the opportunity to upgrade to PD12.

When I change the "General" frame rate setting to 30 to see what NSTC looks like I was still getting 25fps in the produced file.
So I checked the Produce setting (MPEG-4 1920x1080/25p (16 Mbps) and it would appear this generates 25fps.

So 2 more questions:
1. How does the "General" frame rate setting tie in to the produced file?
2. How do you produce a 30fps MPEG4 file as there is no 30fps profile - just 24 or 25? Maybe I need to use something other than MP4 but then my ATV3 wont play it.

Thanks again
Simon

1. General > TV Mode frame rate setting controls some formats in Produce and 100% controls the Create Disk module. It is how you select your Country's TV mode.

2. The setting in General > TV mode controls the frame rate for MP4. You may have to make the selection in Preferences, then close and reopen Powerdirector for the change to take effect.

There are some file formats in Produce that produce the format listed in the format spec. Pay attention to the tag 24p, 25p or 30p.
Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

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