Jumpy output on DVD

jr-video

Newbie Joined: Sep 25, 2013 12:23 Messages: 18 Offline

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Oct 21, 2013 14:28

Hi there,

I have a problem creating a DVD. Let me explain what I mean.

I have a project of approx 30 minutes. With the "Create Disk" function of PD11 I have created a DVD image on my hard disk. When I play the VOB files in the TS_Video folder they play as expected on my computer. When I actually burn these files onto a DVD it plays okay as well on my computer. But when I play the DVD in my desktop DVD player to watch it on my TV screen it plays jumpy: Every second or so it seems to jump back a few frames. The sound (music in this case) however plays without disturbance.
I have burned this project tot DVD in several ways: directly from PD11 and also by using Cyberlink's Power2Go. Always the same jumpy DVD as a result. In searching for a solution I created both an AVI file and a MPG-file, from which I burned a DVD. But again, always a jumpy DVD in my desktop DVD player whilst the files playback okay on my computer. No need to say that the AVI and MPG play flawless on my computer.

Well, you might say that the cause of the problem is in the DVD player. But the strange thing is, that it happens only with DVD's from this particular project. A DVD I created a couple of weeks ago (from another project) plays fine, without any problem. Project settings, and the settings of the original footage of both projects are all the same.

Right now I am stuck. I think I have tried everything (even changing cable connections and so of my desktop player). So any help or suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.

Grtz,
Jos

James Dotson

Senior Contributor Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 24, 2009 20:40 Messages: 3066 Offline

Oct 21, 2013 15:13

Did you use an titles in the project? A few weeks ago I developed a new problem where the video would play Ok, but the titles would skip like mad. Probably a different problem since mine also does it on the computer. Just curious if it could be related. __________________________________
CORNBLOSSOM

jr-video

Newbie Joined: Sep 25, 2013 12:23 Messages: 18 Offline

Oct 22, 2013 10:55

Quote: Did you use an titles in the project?

Thanks for your response.
Yes, I did use titles in my project (both subtitles and 'normal' titles). I will try making a DVD without the subtitles, but I doubt that it will have any influence on the result since the jittery playback also occurs when I put a single AVI on the timeline and make a DVD of that.

I will also try another option to pinpoint the problem. I still have the project of the other DVD (the one that plays okay on my desktop DVD player). I'll make another DVD of this project and see how that one will play. If it's okay I assume it is fair to say that the problem is within the new project. If it's not, the problem most likely is within the PD11 installation and/or burning process.

I'll report back in a few days with the results.

Gr.,
Jos

jr-video

Newbie Joined: Sep 25, 2013 12:23 Messages: 18 Offline

Oct 24, 2013 13:42

Update:

Burned a DVD without subtitles: playback on TV still jumpy.
Burned a DVD from my previous project: playback on TV is jumpy (the original DVD still plays okay on the DVD)

Conclusion:
Cause of the problem is not within the project and not with the DVD player or TV, but somewhere in the PD11 installation and/or burning process.

I will try some other options to narrow down the problem.

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jr-video

Newbie Joined: Sep 25, 2013 12:23 Messages: 18 Offline

Oct 24, 2013 14:05

Update (2)

Copied the TS_AUDIO and TS_VIDEO folders to another computer and burned a DVD. Result: Output on DVD jumpy, output on computer okay.

IMHO this means that it is not the burning process (two different PC's can't be wrong), but the error is inside the rendered files.
In some way PD11 (or my installation of PD11) creates a VOB file that plays well on a computer but causes problems in desktop player.

I can't think of any other option than reinstalling PD11 but before I do this, I would like to know if there are other ways to go ???

James Dotson

Senior Contributor Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 24, 2009 20:40 Messages: 3066 Offline

Oct 24, 2013 15:52

Have you tried creating a small project from scratch and burning it to a DVD-RW. If that also jumps it may be in your installation. If not it could be one of your video files of some variance of the DVD standard by PD or your player. __________________________________
CORNBLOSSOM

Carl312

Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline

Oct 24, 2013 16:02

Quote: Update (2)

Copied the TS_AUDIO and TS_VIDEO folders to another computer and burned a DVD. Result: Output on DVD jumpy, output on computer okay.

IMHO this means that it is not the burning process (two different PC's can't be wrong), but the error is inside the rendered files.
In some way PD11 (or my installation of PD11) creates a VOB file that plays well on a computer but causes problems in desktop player.

I can't think of any other option than reinstalling PD11 but before I do this, I would like to know if there are other ways to go ???

Maybe it is your TV/Player combination.

The Player could be the problem.
Try the DVD in other DVD players.

Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

tomasc

Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline

Oct 25, 2013 01:09

Would like to know if the original source file for creating the jumpy DVD is DV. If it is then encoding needs to be bottom field first. If the original source files have been converted previously then there is no way to fix it that I know of without going back to the original. The DVD plays okay on your computer monitor because the software player displays it as progressive scan.
The standalone DVD player plays it as interlaced on an interlaced crt tv.

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jr-video

Newbie Joined: Sep 25, 2013 12:23 Messages: 18 Offline

Oct 25, 2013 10:55

Thanks to all for your input.

@Jaime-esque:
Yes, I have created a small project from scratch. It is jumpy as well.

@Carl312:
It most likely is not the TV/Player combination. If I play the DVD I created with PD11 a few weeks ago, it plays fine. If I now render this same project again and burn it on a DVD it is jumpy.

@tomasc:
I have created the DVD directly from the timeline, from a rendered DV AVI file as well as from a rendered MPG4 file. In all cases the video plays jumpy.

I recently installed the VLC media player on my computer. Maybe some codec or driver was affected by that installation. Uninstallig the VLC player, however, didn't solve the problem. As far as I can remember I didn't install any other software since the last succesfull burning of a DVD.

I will uninstall PD11 completetly from my computer and reinstall it. If that doesn't help I will go back to an image file of my computer, but I hope I that is not needed ...

I'll post back what the results are.

jr-video

Newbie Joined: Sep 25, 2013 12:23 Messages: 18 Offline

Oct 25, 2013 13:04

Update (3)

Did an uninstall and reinstall of PD11 en created a new DVD (both newly rendered from timeline and burned to DVD). Result: still jumpy.

Next I installed PD11 on another Windows7 computer, created a small project from scratch (with the same footage I used before) and made a DVD of it. Result: jumpy playback on TV.

In other words: DVD's created on 2 different computers both play jumpy on TV. This might lead to the conclusion that the TV/player combination is the cause of the problem. However, other DVD's (made earlier with PD11) play fine on TV, which might indicate that the TV/player is okay and that the cause is in the PD11 system. But how can I explain the fact that both PC's produce a faulty DVD?

Carl312

Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline

Oct 25, 2013 14:39

Quote: Update (3)

Did an uninstall and reinstall of PD11 en created a new DVD (both newly rendered from timeline and burned to DVD). Result: still jumpy.

Next I installed PD11 on another Windows7 computer, created a small project from scratch (with the same footage I used before) and made a DVD of it. Result: jumpy playback on TV.

In other words: DVD's created on 2 different computers both play jumpy on TV. This might lead to the conclusion that the TV/player combination is the cause of the problem. However, other DVD's (made earlier with PD11) play fine on TV, which might indicate that the TV/player is okay and that the cause is in the PD11 system. But how can I explain the fact that both PC's produce a faulty DVD?

Maybe something in this project.

Since you used the same project and the same materials, it kind of points to something in the material.

Many things cause poor performance on DVDs. Transitions, Scrolling Titles, interlaced videos are just a few.
Poor quality video can cause poor performance.
Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

jr-video

Newbie Joined: Sep 25, 2013 12:23 Messages: 18 Offline

Oct 25, 2013 14:56

Quote:
Maybe something in this project.

It is not only my latest project, that is having this problem, but also another project when i re-render and burn on DVD. When I finished this 'old' project a few weeks ago the DVD played fine.
BTW all the footage used is AVCHD. Small projects for testing various options all used this material; no titles, transitions or other fancy stuff, just footage. All resulting in jumpy DVD.s

tomasc

Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 25, 2011 12:33 Messages: 6464 Offline

Oct 25, 2013 16:08

I agree with Carl312 with it being your source material. The original rendered DV-AVI file need to be fixed. See this thread. http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/20/862146
The symptom you decribe is documented here. http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/315035-Field-Order
I only capture the DV AVI files with firewire so don't have the problem by capturing it with a capture card. The created DVD plays fine on both my computer and on my analog interlaced TV without the jumping.
Here are two cyberlink threads on fixing the problem on PD.
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/15336.page;jsessionid=136E9BA83924444D5253217A725337AA
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/29406.page#161018
Hardware encoding needs to be disabled so that PD and not your graphics card do the encoding if you use the fixes on the last two links. These fixes only work on firewire captured DV material.
In your last post you just stated all your footage is avchd ??? Which is it?
I have created DVD's from PD using High definition AVCHD camcorders files that looks great

jr-video

Newbie Joined: Sep 25, 2013 12:23 Messages: 18 Offline

Oct 25, 2013 16:41

tomasc,

I'm afraid there is some misunderstanding.
The DVD is not created based on DV AVI files but on avchd files (H.264 AVC). I used such footage in both my current project and my previous project. When I make a DVD of these projects at this moment, both DVD's are jumpy. The DVD I made a few weeks ago using the same previous project (no settings altered) and footage was okay.
So I also did create a DVD from PD using HD AVCHD camcorder files that looks great, but it seems to have stopped working now. That for me shows that the cause of the problem is not in the footage. If it was, I could not have created the DVD in the first place.

In an attempt to find a solution for the jerkiness I tried several options, one of them rendering the current project to a DV AVI file first, and putting this file one on the timeline of a new project. When this did not help I did a similar attempt with the original file being rendered to an MPEG2 file first. No luck either.

Carl312

Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline

Oct 25, 2013 16:53

Since your original material is H.264 (interlaced?) video.

Try Producing the h.264 edited Project to MPEG2 DVD HQ 720x480/60i (8 Mbps) Video.

MPEG2 HQ is the format of the video on the DVD. By preproducing, you take some of the load off of the computer while making a DVD.

Put the produced MPEG2 file on the timeline or just import it to the Contents tab of Create Disk.
One not Both.

Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

jr-video

Newbie Joined: Sep 25, 2013 12:23 Messages: 18 Offline

Oct 26, 2013 09:40

Final update (4)

I have tried several suggestion from your posts. I unchecked the hardware encoding, tried both interlacing options (top field first and bottom field first) for the clips on the timeline, but that still gave no result.

Finally I followed Carl's advise to render the project to a MPEG2 DVD HQ 720x576/50i (8 Mbps) video. I imported this mpeg file in the Content tab of Create Disk and guess what: a smooth playing DVD came out of the process !!

Thank you all guys for your help and for staying with me, even when I might have looked a bit pigheaded. One happy PD11 user on this side of the screen, now. Thanks again.