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Eugen157
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I have some excellent 4K material , mp4, 3840x2160, 29.94 fps, variable bit rate 35Mb. Edited in PD11, the resulting file, identical format on a USB drive, will not play on the Sony 4K TV. Audio is ok but video is garbled. None of the other PD11 4K formats will play either.
Mediainfo correctly identifies the format, so do some of my players.

Eugene

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James Dotson
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How are you attempting to play them? If you plug the player into a different monitor, do they play correctly? Do they play on the computer? __________________________________
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James1
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Hi,
don't have a 4K TV or Player but I do have LG 55" 3D TV with USB connection and if I write my finished "productions" to USB drive and attempt to play through TV's usb plug it doesn't recognize as a DVD...I have to manually select the video files, but if I burn to a Ble ray rewritable DVD and play through my DVD player all is fine, although I just am able to view in 1920X1080 resolution TV max resolution but the backgrounds (created at 4K sizes show) have good detail.
Don't know if that helps you.
P.s. I created a 4K graphic and used as background for some of the productions menu system.
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Eugen157
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The checking was done at "Best Buy".

The Sony 4K TV has a few USB ports, Sony has provided USB 4K MP4 material to be played for demonstration purposes. Those files are identical in format to the ones produced by PD11, (see first post) yet on the PD11 files only the sound will play, meaning the TV recognized the file. In fact the TV displays the file name and 3840x2160.

BB was kind enough to compare both USB drives.

No problem playing my USB stick on my computer in 4K, although the GPU is converting the HDMI output to 2K.

I thought just to mention this, part of the problem is the lack of official standards, may take a while to sort out.

BTW looking at the demo material Sony provides, the set comes across rather unimpressive, too much motion, very dark scenes.
The average viewer would not recognize it as having 8 million pixels. It is a 65" set, at a distance of app. 20" the pixels disappear so one would have to sit fairly close to take advantage of the resolution.

Looks like an other disaster like 3D in the making?

But then Amazon is selling a 4K 50" set for app $965.00 !!!, made by SEIKI.

At 36" I would not mind having it as a computer monitor.

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Hi,
Ok I thought you had bought a 4K TV and were trying it out. From what I understand about the 4K format is that they have 2-3 different ratios and formats (can't remember them all) and each company has there version. But the TV's being outta my price range I didn't bother too much. But at the bestbuy store here in my surrey, B.C., I don't have much faith in the people that setup these demos...I watched a color calibration demo setup they had on display and I preferred the non calibrated one...LOL
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Interesting experiment with the 4k editing.

As for actually purchasing a 4K tv early in the game, even the SEIKO, consider the following.

CNET's review of the SEIKO:
Cheap 4K TV has pixels aplenty, poor picture
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/seiki-se50uy04-4k-uhd/4505-6482_7-35757100.html

and

Why Ultra HD 4K TVs are still stupid
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57566079-221/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/

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Quote: I have some excellent 4K material , mp4, 3840x2160, 29.94 fps, variable bit rate 35Mb. Edited in PD11, the resulting file, identical format on a USB drive, will not play on the Sony 4K TV. Audio is ok but video is garbled. None of the other PD11 4K formats will play either.
Mediainfo correctly identifies the format, so do some of my players.

Eugene

Hi Eugen157,
I found this thread's topic interesting and one many of us are intrigued by I'm sure. I'm now tempted to go along to a demo with an SD card and a USB device to see if the data will be displayed... will the data transfer from the stick etc be fast enough for the display, I hope so.

I have asked CyberLink for information re:4K file/device testing.

Dafydd

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Eh whut?

Say what kinda bait and switch scheme are you running here?
I see 4k Sony TV and I get all excited - then I find out you did your testing on a BB model !?!?

To correct my disappointment you should henceforth purchase said model and have it delivered to me. Free of charge !~ :

Rob
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Hello and good morning.

The salesman from BB has my number and promised to call me when they get an occasional visit from a Sony rep. Unfortunately I was unable to get any definite info in regard to their 4K sets input formats, so it has been try this or that. So far all that is definite is the MP4 format.

As mentioned, the TV will display the file name, format, resolution and will play audio but no video.

There is also the possibility that only Sony material will play? Would be insane though.

The sticks seem to be fast enough, 50Mb is not a big deal and after all that is what Sony uses.

This 4K file is readily available for download, you may have to google:

Amazing 4k flowers 3840x2160p (Testfootage, Demomaterial)

There is a free program "4K downloader" that allows to select the download format.

As to the SEIKO, there are interesting reviews on Amazon

Eugene

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Hi Eugene et al -

In trying to locate an original quality download of the Sony sample files, I came across this... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479729/4k-sony-xbr-65x900a-and-4k-videos-from-youtube-via-opera - not sure if it offers up any clues, but it might.

So far - I've only found the clip (recorded using RED ONE M-X) on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz6RxJtS8Kc

For me, it's all in the realms of the hypothetical but I'll do some testing.

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Eugen157
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Very interesting read Tony.

One thing mentioned is the error code"format not supported". I got the same error when trying other PD11 4K than the MP4 version. No error code with the MP4, it shows file name, format and resolution plus audio pb but no video. Getting close?

That guy should return the set with Sony throwing so many obstacles in the way. I would opt for a 4K monitor only if a 4K camcorder was available under $ 2000.00. And that monitor/TV would have to be at least 65" so I could sit 6-8" away.
I still remember the thrill, when in 2005 I got a Sony HDV 1440x1080 camera, my jaw was on the floor. The camera that was replaced was a Sony 3chip 900 camera and it was good too but nothing like that HDV.

"Amazing 4k flowers 3840x2160p (Testfootage, Demomaterial)" certainly looks impressive.

This one is pretty good too: "Sony 4K projector video sample 1 [PCAXE.COM].mp4"


Thanks.

Eugene

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