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RobertA101 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Gosford. NSW Central Coast Joined: Jan 01, 2013 20:16 Messages: 37 Offline
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When producing a File there is a choice for Aust or UK PAL
I am in Australia, and want to send a disc to friend in UK.
What is the difference ?
This option does not appear when making a disc.
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djmorgan
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There is no difference, PAL is Pal and NTSC is NTSC does not matter what side on the pond you are on
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RobertA101 [Avatar]
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Thanks djmorgan.
I will find out in a week or two when my discs reach the UK.
I expect that they will play ok.

As a matter of interest though, when producing a file in mpeg2 or avchd,
there are options for each country, eg. UK PAL, Aust PAL, Jordan PAL.
Does anyone know why ? RobertA101
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jmone
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To make it easer for a user to know what format to pick. PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
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RobertA101 [Avatar]
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Thank you jmone.
I was obviously expecting a more complex answer.
My videos played nicely in the UK. RobertA101
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John-hpxref2 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: West Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2012 17:16 Messages: 45 Offline
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There were some small technical differences in the IF and sound circuitry between UK and Aust PAL
Many years ago I was asked to modify an imported UK PAL
TV which would pick up Aust channels . but had faulty sound.
I had to realign the IF stages and modify the FM sound detector channel to get it working better on Aust PAL

Many TVs in the UK can handle multi standard for Eurovision broadcasts, so your friends UK TV may have auto adjusted itself to the slightly differing format.

But I did this nearly 20 years ago so things might have changed since

John
jmone
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John, what I "think" you were refereeing too was that there was some frequency differences for OTA reception. PAL is PAL, NTSC is NTSC (note: SECAM was a slightly different version of PAL optimised for France to cope with some peculiarities of their broadcast system). PD 64 Bit-Win10 64 Bit-32GB RAM-80TB HDD
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John-hpxref2 [Avatar]
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Hi jmone
Sorry for late reply: There are many variations of PAL, ie PAL A,B,C,D etc. many of which ,as you rightly say, were due to differing frequency allocations and bandwidths in different countries though there were some major differences in audio modulation (Ie UK PAL vs AUST PAL)
PAL M (i think that's right) wouldn't work in the UK though, as its 512 lines and is more compatible with NTSC
Mainly there are some differences in sound modulation methods which may affect playback in a DVD
But many players multi region internals do have built in conversion to remedy that and of course most European TVs have auto multi format features which compensate
SECAM isn't compatible with PAL as the video is sent out Sequentially, but again, most multi format European TV sets handle this conversion internally too, though France is now mainly PAL orientated
But I think I am getting a bit off topic
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Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Quote: There is no difference, PAL is Pal and NTSC is NTSC does not matter what side on the pond you are on


Exactly right.

Dafydd
djmorgan
Senior Member Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Oz. Joined: Mar 09, 2007 07:07 Messages: 233 Offline
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Quote: Hi jmone
Sorry for late reply: There are many variations of PAL, ie PAL A,B,C,D etc. many of which ,as you rightly say, were due to differing frequency allocations and bandwidths in different countries though there were some major differences in audio modulation (Ie UK PAL vs AUST PAL)
PAL M (i think that's right) wouldn't work in the UK though, as its 512 lines and is more compatible with NTSC
Mainly there are some differences in sound modulation methods which may affect playback in a DVD
But many players multi region internals do have built in conversion to remedy that and of course most European TVs have auto multi format features which compensate
SECAM isn't compatible with PAL as the video is sent out Sequentially, but again, most multi format European TV sets handle this conversion internally too, though France is now mainly PAL orientated
But I think I am getting a bit off topic
Rgds
John




The importance is getting a response correct! the question related to AUS and UK, there are differences in PAL with Brazil/Argentina and a few others but that was not the question.

Now we try to cloud the waters with mis-information, the true facts of PAL as we know it today are: (Wikipedia)

PAL-B/G/D/K/I
The majority of countries using PAL have television standards with 625 lines and 50 fields per second, differences concern the audio carrier frequency and channel bandwidths. Standards B/G are used in most of Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand, standard I in the UK, Ireland, Hong Kong, South Africa and Macau, standards D/K in most of Central and Eastern Europe and Standard D in mainland China. Most analogue CCTV cameras are Standard D.
Systems B and G are similar. System B is used for 7 MHz-wide channels on VHF, while System G is used for 8 MHz-wide channels on UHF (Australia uses System B on UHF). Similarly, Systems D and K are similar except for the bands they use: System D is only used on VHF, while System K is only used on UHF. Although System I is used on both bands, it has only been used on UHF in the United Kingdom due to the black-and-white 405-line "System A" TV services on VHF operating until the 1980s.


Please note that that Audio and channel frequency ONLY relates to a TV tuner NOT the playing of recorded material, Basically PAL is PAL and will work AUS/UK :x

AND as the OP has stated his AUS produced PAL disc played nicely in the UK, really no need for the follow up except now to correct bad advice.

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RobertA101 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Gosford. NSW Central Coast Joined: Jan 01, 2013 20:16 Messages: 37 Offline
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Thanks for all replies.
I now have a better handle on this subject

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James Dotson
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So, you are confirming that John-hpxref2 is correct as I read it? __________________________________
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RobertA101 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Gosford. NSW Central Coast Joined: Jan 01, 2013 20:16 Messages: 37 Offline
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well, you guys know more about it than I do.
I'm not in a position to argue.
I just accept it as more knowledge to digest

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Dafydd B [Avatar]
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Hi,
As has been stated the issue here relates to playing a PDR11 made PAL produced file/disc made in Australia on a PAL system in the UK. The issue does not relate to the variation of what is broadcast by different countries nore does it relate to a commercially produced region controlled commercially made disc.

A visit to the Produce section/Mpeg2 and a scroll down to the very end will offer PAL or NTSC and ignores the country identification. The selection in Create Disc is reliant on the Track/Preference settings.

The discussion on broadcasted versions is NTSC or PAL in different countries was not part of the question nor for this thread.

Dafydd

Edit: Adding a "P" to Preference

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