I only have PAL samples for your camera and no 30i or 60i 3D footage. Please can you provide a 5 second sample please.

For me the "Set 3D Source Format" footage is coming up as "Multiview video coding". Is that what you have? I don't recall ever seeing the samples I have as SidebySide.

If I recall, the HD 3D is full 1080 for each eye, 30fps per eye, so the 60 fps. Full resolution and 3D, need a AVCHD 2.0 3D HD Blu Ray player, like the Sony BDP-S590 for example.

I've attached a file with the HD 3D video from the Sony HDR-TD10 3D HD camera.

Powerdirector does see them as 3D... the problem is with the list of formats for blue ray create disc, no AVCHD 2.0 1080(60i) like with Sony PMB and Sony PlayMemories software...

Sylvain

Well, you are talking here not about MVC-based 3D-Blu-rays, but you are talking about a AVCHD 2.0/3D structure that includes a multistream s3D file. And you are right - such AVCHD 2.0 structures allow also 1080 50i/60i, but not only the 720 50p/60p or 1080 24p that are allowed by MVC-based 3D-Blu-rays.

That all is also described in that thread that tries to summarizes some ot this really new points - but the good news are that your Sony S590 is able to playback AVCHD 2.0, as you know.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1437294/the-avchd-3d-thread

I think you are right to use the Create disc section within 3D disc, BUT you must not take Blu-ray here, since that will allow to generate the MVC based 3D-BDs only (and that is restricted to 720 50p /60p and 1080 24p). You have to take AVCHD, in the German version it is then "Wechseldateträge" what are SDHC cards or usb sticks maybe - I am not sure how the wording is in the English version. And then you have to make sure that you use AVCHD 3D - and here you are able to choose 108 50i or 60i.

Then you save the structure to an external stick or the hard disc, take the PRIVATE directory and use 3rd party tools like the CD-burner XP and burn that to a Blu-ray. The S590 is able to playback such a structure from a Blu-ray BD-R or BD-RE. Kind regards,
Wolfgang

Quote: You have to take AVCHD, in the German version it is then "Wechseldateträge" what are SDHC cards or usb sticks maybe - I am not sure how the wording is in the English version. And then you have to make sure that you use AVCHD 3D - and here you are able to choose 108 50i or 60i.

Then you save the structure to an external stick or the hard disc, take the PRIVATE directory and use 3rd party tools like the CD-burner XP and burn that to a Blu-ray. The S590 is able to playback such a structure from a Blu-ray BD-R or BD-RE.

Ah!! I did not know why Powerdirector would have a different set of option depending on the "type" of memory drive, Stick, SD card or hard disk... well!!! Ok, I'm creating a test right now to a memory stick and AVCHD 3D as the type, will plug it on the S590 and see... be back in a few minutes!!!

QUESTION. If it works, can I have multilple AVCHD HD (2.0) home made creations on the same external USB HD?? So I can navigate with the S590 and select what folder/movie to play??
Thanks!!!
S. Faust.

IT WORKS! The Powerdirector 3D menu was in 24p but when I selected and started the video the XBR-65HX929 switched in 60i.
Do you think I could try 60p?

Know would be to know if I can have an externet USB HD and have a directory structure like

From the root, directory "This is movie 1"
--- AVCHD folder and subfolers of movie1
From the root, directory "This is movie 2"
--- AVCHD folder and subfolders of movie2

Connect the drive to the S590 and navigate in "This is movie 1" or "This is movie 2" and see if it offers AVCHD 3D movie?

A side comment... I plug the usb memory stick to the usb port of the Sony XBR-65HX929 to see if it would play it directly... None... it shows the AVCHD complete directory structure, Sony is weird!!! Why not updating it so we could just plug the stick in the TV and go??? At the price of those models... I've got the latest firmware downloaded, it's on the internet directly...

Very happy to be able to use PowerDirector and have full AVCHD 2.0 3D movies without losing any resolution!!!

PowerDirector should update the BLU-RAY burning to "ADD" AVCHD 2.0 as well, like Sony does with their software products, that would be just perfect!

S.Faust :

Wolfgang,

Copying the AVCHD directory to the root of an external USB Hard Disk works with the S590 and 3D 60I just fine.

What I'm trying to figure out is how to have multiple vidoes (or AVCHD structures) on the samse USB Hard Disk so I can store all my production there and play them on the S590?? Weird.

Another subject, 3D and youtube. When I play youtube HD 3D from the YouTube apps directly in the Sony TV XBR-65HX929 (HD mode selected in the youtube tv app) it is very nice HD 3D!! Check for the 2 I've uploaded using VE2FET as a search on youtube.

But, when using the Youtube apps in the BDP-S590 it is 3D but NOT HD... no way to change the resolution. Weird that Sony does not provide the same "apps" as on their TV.

Let me know if you have a way to have multile AVCHD 2.0 movies on the same USB Hard Disk!

Thanks again for all!! You're helping alot!!!

S. Faust (near Montreal, Quebec)

Quote: QUESTION. If it works, can I have multilple AVCHD HD (2.0) home made creations on the same external USB HD?? So I can navigate with the S590 and select what folder/movie to play??
Thanks!!!

I do not think if there is a possibility to use an external usb harddisc in the way that you wish to do, but I think such a kind of navigation is not foreseen on an external usb stick or harddisc.

What you could try is to save the pure videofile to different directorys, and your Sony S590 will show you the directory structure - and you can navigate in the structure with the S590. But playback seems to work in 2D and 1080 60i only, what should be fine for 2D and people who shoot in 1080 60i but not for s3D.

Quote: IT WORKS! The Powerdirector 3D menu was in 24p but when I selected and started the video the XBR-65HX929 switched in 60i.
Do you think I could try 60p?

I think 1080 60p will not work - s3D seems not to work with 50p or 60p up to now. I am not sure if the bandwith of hdmi allows that. Since you will come from 60i anyway the deinterlacing takes place at the HDTV at the moment - but that is fine, since your software-deinterlacer will not be better in most cases.

Quote: A side comment... I plug the usb memory stick to the usb port of the Sony XBR-65HX929 to see if it would play it directly... None... it shows the AVCHD complete directory structure, Sony is weird!!! Why not updating it so we could just plug the stick in the TV and go??? At the price of those models... I've got the latest firmware downloaded, it's on the internet directly...

I think we have to be happy that some new 3D-BD-players allow the AVCHD 2.0 playback. And even that is limited to the newer models of Panasonic and Sony - and even there you do not find a good documentation about that feature. At the moment it is unlikely that an HDTV will be able to playback AVCHD 2.0 directly - maybe the next generations, but I would not bet on that (the format is a year old only).

Quote: Very happy to be able to use PowerDirector and have full AVCHD 2.0 3D movies without losing any resolution!!!

That is the major benefit - since the industry has decide to sell s3D cameras with 1080 50i/60i in the price range of maybe 1000 US$, the user can avoid conversion and conversion losses with AVCHD 2.0/3D - both with 2D 1080 50p/60p and s3D 1080 50i/60i.

Quote: PowerDirector should update the BLU-RAY burning to "ADD" AVCHD 2.0 as well, like Sony does with their software products, that would be just perfect!

Well, I think there is an authoring possibility for AVCHD 2.0/3D in Pinnacle Studio 16. I am not sure if that is in the PD11 foreseen too, but I understood that you have tested that - did you not say that the 3D menus are in 1080 24p, and then switch to 1080 60i? So that seems to be an authoring for s3D and AVCHD 2.0 (I have not tested that)?

There is no authoring for AVCHD 2.0/3D in Sony Vegas Moviestudio 12 or Sony Vegas Pro 12 - and not in the Sony DVDA6 too. Sony uses the more professional MVC-based Blu-ray structures. Also Grass Valley Edius 6.5 can create AVCHD 2.0/3D files with a structure like the PD11 does - but does not allow to author and burn that to Blu-ray really. Maybe that has the background in the standard.

In the 2D area, there is one tool to author AVCHD 2.0 - that is the Tmpgenc Authoring tool. But that is not foreseen for s3D.

Kind regards,
Wolfgang

Hi Wolfgang!

What Blu-Ray burner utility software do you recommand under Windows 7 64x? Using Windows own burning capabilty is not good?

Thanks again!
Sylvain

Hi,
what has been stated here on usb sticks are correct inn that the Tv/Player doesn't recognize the stick as a DVD.
when you create disc {for the movies} burn to folder not to disk, and name the folder appropriately on the hard disk, this gives the file structure of Blu ray movies. Now transfer these folders to the usb stick and see what happens. This is just a trial experiment solution.
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