Silly question Robert. What/where is Highlight Healing?

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Quote: If you decided to use the new Highlight healing be prepared to wait for your video to render/produce. With "Highlight Healing added to my normal adjustments it took 18 minutes to produced my 540 mb 4 minute 17 second video.

Without Highlight healing ticked, but my normal 1/4 slider "Video Enhance" it took 8 minutes to produce the same video.

I don't use Cuda due to reports of loss of detail in finished video.

So bottom line the new highlight healing is very cpu intensive to preview and produce. I am not surprised but am just so used to PowerDirectors usual high speed rendering/producing.

It is amazing what we get used to, I remember in the dim past before PD, leaving my computer on overnight to produce similar videos.

A side note if you want your preview in very nice super smooth slow motion choose "Highlight Healing" and "Non Real Timer Preview".

A generalisation based on computer hardware! I just set a clip (1920x1080 50i *.MOV) to 50% highlight healing and whilst I did see a slight slow down on the first rendering subsequent runs of the clip were as normal.

So the bottom line is, it depends on the computer spec not PD11 don't be so anxious to throw the baby out with the bath water!



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Quote: Silly question Robert. What/where is Highlight Healing?

Fix/Enhance > color Adjustment or as I would say Colour Adjustment

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A generalisation based on computer hardware! I just set a clip (1920x1080 50i *.MOV) to 50% highlight healing and whilst I did see a slight slow down on the first rendering subsequent runs of the clip were as normal.

So the bottom line is, it depends on the computer spec not PD11 don't be so anxious to throw the baby out with the bath water!

I suppose I should re define render and produce.

In the old days render meant the final rendering of the video, which PowerDirector now calls "Producing". These days some people call rendering previewing the video.

Also re the power of my computer I am just comparing the use of the new option compared to my normal previewing and producing under PD10. PD11's new option really slows down my computer.

Also it may be more of a strain as my video is 960 X 1280 50p 3:2 aspect ratio stretched to 16:9 ratio with separate audio voice track from voice recorder, a large slow motion clip, plus "Video Enhance". EDIT===I forgot also enlarged to 1920X1080 25fps, which is an awful lot of processing to be done to each of the 25fps during producing.

Bottom line the new effect adds extra strain and my computer may have just hit it's ceiling for fast producing. Although it would be interesting to see how long other video editing products would take to produce the same video. In my experience it would be a number of magnitudes longer. My youtube channel====> http://www.youtube.com/user/relate2?feature=mhsn

Robert2 S
If you decided to use the new Highlight healing be prepared to wait for your video to render/produce. With "Highlight Healing added

Your "the sky is falling message" had no qualification, what you said, without any qualification that anybody using Highlight healing was in for a long wait!

I wanted to point out this is clearly NOT correct and maybe, like many things, and many programs, is dependant upon a users computer hardware.

Only now you decide to add a maybe after I posted.
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Quote: Have a great day djmorgan.

Now I know you really don't mean that! but maybe the 1 or 2 people who come to the forum before making a buying decision are a little better informed.

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Robert2 S, My experience appears to be similar to yours, "Highlight healing" is rather time consuming.
Five minute clip of 1920x1080 24mbps footage in timeline, no edits, just raw footage. Use the "Produce" module to produce to the same format of orignal clip using CPU rendering (Fast video rendering technology unticked).

raw clip, 356 seconds to produce
1/4 slider "Video Enhance", 600 seconds to produce
50% "Highlight healing", 3660 seconds to produce
Both adjustments, 4140 seconds to produce

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Nvidia GTX580, 301.42 driver

Can't find much info in the PD documentation on what "Highlight healing" might be doing. Even frame by frame modifications to the raw video are usually not that time invasive so I'm puzzled at what does appear to be poor performance.

Jeff

Same here Jeff and Robert2 S, not that I've ever used it in real life but my little experiment bears out what you have observed.

Short 100 sec 1080p30 13mbs .mp4 clip produced to 1080p30 .mp4 standard PD profile, no edits just with or without 50% healing, using just cpu or quicksynch.

Healing @ 0 % cpu produce 170secs
Healing @ 50 % cpu produce 584secs

Healing @ 0% qs produce 53 secs
Healing @ 50% qs produce 412 secs

Must be doing something extra!

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I'm getting the same thing here...

3 minute 1920x1080 24MBps clip > Produced to same profile with no hardware acceleration.

No enhancement = 3:36 - 216 seconds
Video Enhancement (25%) - 4:12 - 252 seconds
Highlight Healing (50%) - 19:28 - 1168 seconds

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Hmmmm sounds like a "you say potato, and I say tater" thing going.

Me thinks someone is making a bigger deal out of than it really is, when it really does not matter either way. Most everyone takes a while to render anything. There are hundreds of posts in these forums whining about rendering time.

I will qualify by saying....

Bottom line is, if you want 30 second rendering of an hour video.....

1. You got the wrong computer to start with...
2. You got the wrong software to start with....

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Hi Bubba -

I think Robert was just making an observation, in the first instance, comparing produce times with/without highlight healing.

We all understand, as you say, that speed of rendering is down to hardware... but that wasn't Robert's point.

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For what it’s worth. Same observation here.
The application of the Highlight Healing option, does indeed increase the produce/rendering times on my end.

I don’t think that anyone here was implying that this increased rendering time was CL’s “fault”, which thus warranted a gruff reprimand.
It was just, as I read it, the sharing of an observation, which now appears to be confirmed by other forum members.


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I think this little thread typifies the current flavour of the forum.

Robert made an interesting observation, quantitatively measured, of a new PD11 feature, he made a couple of light hearted points, to illustrate the apparently significant effect of the use of the feature.

djmorgan gave a subjective opinion, and opined that Robert was making a generalisation and, in effect, overreacting.

Robert had the courtesy to expand on his position to try and remove any misunderstanding and clarify his points.

djmorgan chose to "pick out the bones" but without any quantitative data for others to go on, again giving his opinion and asserting Roberts post was a "sky falling in" post and he was incorrect.

Leaving aside the next section, where Robert retired from participating.

Jeff then then quantitatively confirmed Robert's findings and passed a couple of comments on the feature process itself.

Myself and Tony quantitatively confirmed it as well.

From my perspective, Robert's observation on a new feature was a valid one, backed up by more than one observation from others, but the issue was clouded by an alternative opinion which was entirely subjective, missed the point and arguably, was a little confrontational, and so the thread started to dribble away into not a lot.

Ah well.

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Hi Adrian,

As an aside to the actual problem it is very interesting from your results that with the infliction applied,
CPU rendering time increased by 3.4 times while Quick Sync rendering time increased by 7.8 times.
More of a mystery as the virgin clip with Quick Sync was 3 times faster than with CPU rendering.

Something I notice with windows 7, and not just PD11, is that there are times when the system seems
to be busy, but there are no apparent increases in CPU/GPU or Hard Drive activity.
During these times I wonder what is actually happening inside the magic box.

Patrick

Probably Win 7 customising itself to enhance the customer experience by drawing on an an analysis of the recent usage patterns of not only you, but also of your friends and people in your contact/address book/social networks who bought/used/posted/viewed similar things/sites/people that you might be, but in my case am almost certainly not, interested in.

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Quote: Probably Win 7 customising itself to enhance the customer experience by drawing on an an analysis of the recent usage patterns of not only you, but also of your friends and people in your contact/address book/social networks who bought/used/posted/viewed similar things/sites/people that you might be, but in my case am almost certainly not, interested in.

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Adrian

You are correct. Jerry Schwartz

Quote: Hi Adrian,

As an aside to the actual problem it is very interesting from your results that with the infliction applied,
CPU rendering time increased by 3.4 times while Quick Sync rendering time increased by 7.8 times.
More of a mystery as the virgin clip with Quick Sync was 3 times faster than with CPU rendering.

Might it be that the healing technology is not compatible with the qs IC approach to video processing. In other words, the healing aspect may be done by the cpu and the encoding by qs, so one essentially has a significant burden of the cpu's for healing in the qs numbers leading to the significant ratio difference. I did notice that my CPU's were running part throttled during the healing vs unhealing comparison which was unexpected.

I think it would be great if CL could take a performance look at this feature, I don't use these types of features but additionally don't see why it should be so slow on a relative basis either. Could be some coding inefficiency that when corrected could help those out who use these features.

Additionally, what PD11 has done with next generation of TrueVelocity3, cpu and multi-GPGPU encoding is currently somewhat a mystery to me. I only know my CPU encoding of about 15 different projects have a 5-30% slowness factor relative to PD10, same hardware.

Jeff

Additionally, what PD11 has done with next generation of TrueVelocity3, cpu and multi-GPGPU encoding is currently somewhat a mystery to me. I only know my CPU encoding of about 15 different projects have a 5-30% slowness factor relative to PD10, same hardware.

Can anyone one comment with some personal experience using the TrueVelocity 3 and the Multi-GPGPU encoding?

I would be interested in knowing more.

Do I have to start a new topic? Not really sure as I am expanding on Jeff's comment.

Edit( yes I edited my response, I didn't delete anything, simply added to my thoughtful question). Looking for objective data not a subjective opinion regarding this question. Thanks in advance.
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