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M2TS, MTS and capture
Vadim61 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: New York Joined: May 09, 2011 14:24 Messages: 6 Offline
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Hi,
Ever since I switched to HD video I have been struggling with topic of capture. I read that MTS and M2TS files are essentially the same. My camera (Canon Vixia HFS100) produces MTS files that formally 30p, but actually recorded as 60i, according to a manual.

However PD in file properties shows them as 29.97 fps, interlaced.
If I go through the capture process PD produces M2TS files, which also show the same properties (29.97 fps, interlaced) but slightly different bitrate (usually a bit lower) than for corresponding MTS files.

I produced videos using either MTS or M2TS files, using PD9. One of them, using MTS files had very bad quality on objects in motion (i.e. people walking by, some pans), making very ragged edges. M2TS seems better. Now I upgraded to PD11 and starting new one and would like your advice about necessity of capture and property issue.

Regards, Vadim


jmone
Senior Contributor Location: Australia Joined: Nov 26, 2010 00:05 Messages: 706 Offline
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Hi, M2TS and MTS are just "containers" and your cam could be stuffing who knows what into them. The best bet is to just post here a short 10sec sample of each so we can have a look.
Thanks
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Sony FX6 - 500Mbps 4k/50p AVC-I HLG
Canon XF400 - 150Mbps 4k/50p AVC
GoPro Hero6 Black
Pana HS700-28Mbps 1080/50p AVC (High@L4.2)
Canon HV20-HDV 25Mbps 16:9 1440x1080/25p MPEG
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Also, how are you getting the M2TS and MTS video into Powerdirector?

The correct way is to 'Import' them not 'Capture' them. Two different methods.

Import brings in High Definition videos, Capture is only SD video.

Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Slight correction, with all due respect to Carl, capture is a method, you "capture" audio/video from tape, or vinyl, in the case of tape, it can be both HD and SD. Capturing video from tape usually requires a firewire cable. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
Carl312
Senior Contributor Location: Texas, USA Joined: Mar 16, 2010 20:11 Messages: 9090 Offline
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Quote: Slight correction, with all due respect to Carl, capture is a method, you "capture" audio/video from tape, or vinyl, in the case of tape, it can be both HD and SD. Capturing video from tape usually requires a firewire cable.

Barry, have you actually captured HD video in the Powerdirector capture module?

I do know that there are HDV cameras that use tape as their recording media.

And I do know most use firewire for the Digital transfer.

So the question, is does Powerdirector Capture HD content in the Capture Module?
Or you do you use the camera's software to capture the video?

Carl312: Windows 10 64-bit 8 GB RAM,AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4 GHz,ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB,240GB SSD,two 1TB HDs.

stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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Quote:
Quote: Slight correction, with all due respect to Carl, capture is a method, you "capture" audio/video from tape, or vinyl, in the case of tape, it can be both HD and SD. Capturing video from tape usually requires a firewire cable.

Barry, have you actually captured HD video in the Powerdirector capture module?

I do know that there are HDV cameras that use tape as their recording media.

And I do know most use firewire for the Digital transfer.

So the question, is does Powerdirector Capture HD content in the Capture Module?
Or you do you use the camera's software to capture the video?



I'm not Barry but I have been using PowerDirector to capture HD from a Canon HV30 camcorder for quite awhile. That camcorder records HD on DV tapes. I capture through firewire of course.

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Vadim61 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: New York Joined: May 09, 2011 14:24 Messages: 6 Offline
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On vacation I often copy entire AVCHD folder from camcorder to laptop to free up space. When capturing I select such folder and PD is happy and does the conversion. Same principle applies for capturing from camcorder directly, in this case it is connected over USB cable and appropriate drive is selected.

Here is the same clip in MTS and M2TS format.
 Filename
Antverpen(01).m2ts
[Disk]
 Description
 Filesize
25979 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
273 time(s)
 Filename
00096.MTS
[Disk]
 Description
 Filesize
26406 Kbytes
 Downloaded:
268 time(s)
BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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You are confusing "capture" with "transfer".
Capture, when applied to this conversation, refers to the capture of the audio/video streams from tape, using firewire. However, it can also be applied to the capture of your webcam, or TV source. Capture is never used to describe the transfer, via card or USB, of existing files.
And yes, I have used my HV30 many times with PD, though it is not my favorite capture utility.

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HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
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Vadim61 [Avatar]
Newbie Location: New York Joined: May 09, 2011 14:24 Messages: 6 Offline
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I use term "capture" mainly as pointer to PD's interface. The function I am using is on "Capture" tab in PD.
Also, m2ts files are not existing ones, but created by PD from mts files.
Anyway, my question is not about terminology, but rather about practical consequences (or validity) of PD's reporting and handling of my files.
BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Well, now, with all due respect to me...I stand (on 6 legs mind you) corrected, to the extent that the PD interface regards the transfer of CD files, and external or optical device (?) files, as "capture". Never really looked at those options before, but the HFS100 is a flash model, I just transfer the files w/o using PD, but I'm sorry for running afield with the original point of the post. My HF20 is AVCHD .MTS and I just bring 'em in from SD card or directly connect the camera, they stay .MTS. No software is involved. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
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The correct way is to 'Import' them not 'Capture' them. Two different methods.

Import brings in High Definition videos, Capture is only SD video.


WAIT, WAIT, WAIT...WHAT?!?

So 'this' is why the Elgato HD Game Capture as well as the Hauppauge HD PVR 2 are not compatible, because to work with the Cyberlink products I have to go back to using SD capture as opposed to the HD file format that I bought the PVR's for in the first place? ( or alternatively capture and then import, even though PD11 invariably cannot even find the files I am looking for?? )

dammit, dammit, dammit!!!

oh, and dammit!

BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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GMP,
welcome to our forum.
Sorry to correct you so soon, but "Capture" can capture both SD and HD, and in my mind will always refer to tape (audio and video), and vinyl. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
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Hi Barry

thanks for the very prompt response.



maybe it would be better if I gave a little background to our issue?

We have been issued with the full ftp edition of the PD Suite for review, however, it will not recognise any of the capture devices we install? ( external: Hauppauge, Elgato, Roxio and even Dazzle ), Now, I appreciate that it may well be able to run via Aver Media and such capture crads, but the review is based on the functionality of the suite with external capture devices such as the list of the Hauupauge's and Elgato's. We have NO IDEA as to why the system will not respond to any kind of media input during capture? ( any advice, hints or tips on this would be greatly appreciated and greatfully accepted )

the main issue we seem to be having si just a total lack of, well....for want of a better word, " signal ". whenever we attempt to capture there is 'nothing'? it finds nothing, it responds to nothing and it lists no device as even being available for capture ( we cannot even find the ddeives in the available lists to adjust the settings in an attempt to trouble shoot )

I am probably not really explaining this as well as my techy counter part ( this is not my area ), but its the weekend and there is no-one in the office.
stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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Most capture devices require the right drivers to be installed. Those drivers are usually on the installation disc for the device. Many times the devices use proprietary drivers that will work only with the software that comes with the device. The software should be installed first or Windows will install generic drivers that won't work.

You may be running into that issue.

Why are you using game capture devices? Is that what the project is or are you simply trying to capture video from analog video camcorders?

I also suggest that you disable any web cams on the computer you are using.

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BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Most folks here with 3rd-party capture devices use the software that comes with the device.
Maybe starting your own thread with a clearly defined title will elicit more answers. There is also a search function here that may or may not help, but this is not an unheard-of issue. PD is a great editor, though. HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
stevek
Senior Contributor Location: Houston, Texas USA Joined: Jan 25, 2011 12:18 Messages: 4663 Offline
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By the way, I have one of those devices and have 4 video editing programs that will do capture. The only one that works is the device/program from the same manufacturer.

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Michael8511
Contributor Location: U.S.A. Indiana Joined: Jan 14, 2012 16:12 Messages: 374 Offline
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Vadim61 I pick up a Canon VIXIA HF G10 camcoder last month. I hook up the USB cable to it and the computer and hit the button on the camera that give me the transfer and I pick PC only. Then I drag the video files over to my hard drive. They are in the streaming folder. Thats how I do it then I import them in to PD.

They come of the camera has MTS and if I produce them in PD has H264 AVC PD puts the M2TS file extension on it. They play fine on the computer but when I try to stream them to the TV using a DLMA server software I only got the audio no video. So I did some reading and found that MTS and M2TS are the same. So I took the 2 out of the file extension and they play video and audio fine with the DLMA server then.

Here is my real fist video I made with PD. I shoot it at 24P trying that mode and produce it has a H264 AVC. For the web I used a bit rate of 6000 and use 720P setting. I think when I use the 1080i 60 fps settings on the camera I'm going to see what it looks like produce has a MP4 1080P settings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8xLGBrRjPU

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RonH
Contributor Location: Norway (from Australia) Joined: Sep 05, 2011 10:13 Messages: 364 Offline
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I am probably being a 'naughty boy' asking in this thread but here goes

I am learning to use a Sony camcorder (new novice) and to transfer the videos to my pc I take out the camera SD card, plug it into the pc and select Open Folder to View Files/Private/AVCHD/BDMV/Stream and then copy the actual video files I want to the pc.

Do I need all the other 'rubbish' from AVCDH for anything? The camera has the integrated USB cable but this involves also the Sony Play Memories software (I think) ... I have no wish to have yet another photo/video programme trying to grap all my pics/videos etc.
Am I missing something important
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Michael8511
Contributor Location: U.S.A. Indiana Joined: Jan 14, 2012 16:12 Messages: 374 Offline
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All I can say on this is my camera has 32 GB build in to it and a place to stick two SD card in to it. Right now I have had it to record to the build in memory so I have to use the USB cable to see the memory on it. If I had it go to the SD cards I would just pull them out and put the SD card in the computer and copy the files over. Plus I just copy the video files over. It has a place for photos and thumb nails in other different folders. I don't use them I just delete them. Unless I have it take a photo. But I have not use that option. I more less do what you do.

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Intel i7 5960X overclock to 4 Ghz 16 GB of ram.
GoPro 4
Canon VIXIA HF G10
Canon EOS Rebel T3
Canon EOS 70D
My Vimeo Channel http://vimeo.com/user3339631/videos
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thanks Barry, will maybe begin a thread, but I will be getting back in touch with Volker @Cyberlink on Monday and see what the dev's can come up with? we are just totally baffled? surely a product designed for use as a third party software system should be more compatible right out of the box with the most popular mediumss for what is a huge section of the entertainment industry?

I have to say, however, in its defense: the use of PDS in applications other than the capture feature issue we are experiencing has been simply excellent ( particularly the phot and video edit of imported media )

good product that I am sure with a little advice and tinkering from the dev's will turn out to be great?

thanks again for the advice
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