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Brett2424 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Feb 24, 2012 11:16 Messages: 10 Offline
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I must be missing something, because it certainly can't be as complicated as it seems to be. I have an HDR-TD10, Win 7 x64, 560ti, i7 2600K, GD235, and 3D Vision. My problem is that I simply can't get 3D Vision to do much of anything. In PowerDirector, whenever I try to preview in 120Hz mode, it gives me an error that the "device is not supported."

Outside of PowerDirector, however, the only thing I can actually view in 3D is the little 3D Vision test that comes with the 3D Vision CD packet. Other than that, I have been completely unsuccessful in my attempts to view 3D content.

Does anyone work with 3D Vision who knows what my problem is? I was hoping things would just kind of work on their own, but that's sadly not the case. I have a feeling I'm missing some kind of driver/codec/personal setting, but I'm really not sure where to start. I know you're probably laughing because there is an extremely simple solution, but I'm a total noob when it comes to 3D. Thanks for your assistance, and let me know if any further information could help in diagnosing my problem.

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Brett2424 [Avatar]
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So, apparently no one edits with 3D Vision?

FYI, I also have PowerDVD 12, and can't get a 3D Blu Ray to display in 3D using 3D Vision. It will only play one eye or the other, but not both. I have no idea what I'm missing. Anyone have any suggestions?

FYI, I can get PowerDVD to work with my 3D Ready projector, but it still won't work with PowerDirector.

UPDATE: After fiddling around with PowerDVD 12 for a while, I triggered something that got 3D Vision to work. I honestly have no clue what I did, so I know that's not a whole lot of help at the moment, but I thought I'd mention that PowerDVD has now recognized 3D Vision. Still no luck with PowerDirector. The 3D Vision emitter won't come on, I get an error stating "The device does not support this mode" when I try to switch to the 120Hz 3D LCD display mode to preview, and whatever project I'm trying to preview is usually just a green screen with a little flicker every now and then.

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Dafydd B [Avatar]
Senior Contributor Joined: Aug 26, 2006 08:20 Messages: 11973 Offline
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Hi Brett2424 ,
I have Nvidia 3D Vision and for the life of me cant get the beggar to work properly (I don't have much spare tome to fiddle with it at the moment). I'll try and get Wolfgang in on this thread as he has 3D Vision working I believe.
Dafydd

Wolfgang's post: http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/19433.page#101998

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James1
Senior Contributor Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Joined: Jun 10, 2010 16:20 Messages: 1783 Offline
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Hi,
I have played with the 3d stuff a bit. your monitor has to support 3D to begin (for previewing). It would help to know what your are trying to do 3d.
ant ways load a clip into the timeline in PD10, then select the clip in timeline and select modify, go to the 'Path menu" and there is a tab to enable 3D and adjust the depth when you have to select the 3D button to preview in 3d. My system previews in Cyan/magenta glasses but don't be concerned right now (my monitor isn't a newer monitor) as when produced for TV you can fiddle with the output.
Hope that helps
Jim Intel i7-2600@3.4Gz Geforce 560ti-1GB Graphic accelerator, windows 7 Premium 12GB memory

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Brett2424 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Feb 24, 2012 11:16 Messages: 10 Offline
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Thanks for the replies, Dafydd and Jim.

Jim,

The monitor I'm using (Acer GD235HZ) supports 3D and looks wonderful with 3D Vision. What I'm trying to accomplish with PD10 is to perform basic edits on clips from my TD10. I shoot weddings mostly (videography and photography, although I'm much more concerned about editing my 3D videos than trying to convert pictures to 3D), and I'm trying to add 3D video to my arsenal. I only need basic editing features, such as cutting, pasting, adding audio tracks, maybe a little bit of brightness and saturation control. I'd also like to add things like 3D menus and maybe 3D picture slideshows (or possibly integrate 3D pictures with my videos). I would really like to see what I am editing in 3D as I edit it. At the moment, I can create productions and they will turn out in 3D, which is nice, but when I am editing, I can only preview in anaglyph or 2D. I don't want to feel like I bought a $330 monitor and $100 3D Vision system for nothing, as I have other methods of viewing 3D videos outside of my PC.

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Wolfgang 1
Newbie Location: Austria/Vienna Joined: May 30, 2010 06:19 Messages: 49 Offline
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Bett, do you run more then one monitor? So maybe the 120 Hz 3D monitor and another 2D monitor - what is typical for some people?

If you do so, and if you have the PD10 surface on the 2D monitor, and think that you can use the 3D monitor to preview the 3D video - well then that is the issue and you get the error message.

You have to shift the PD10 GUI to the 3D monitor, then you will see that the PD10 recognizes the 3D 120 Hz monitor. I have not found any way how the PD10 work with 2 monitors if one is a 3D 120 Hz montor using nvidia 3D vision - what is a little bit borring since I have here my 3 monitor system (if you run 3 monitors it does not work at all - I always have to disable the 3rd monitor).

Maybe you have to define in the nvidia 3D vision driver also the PD10 as 3D application in addition and set it to 3D too. Kind regards,
Wolfgang
Brett2424 [Avatar]
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Wolfgang,

I am currently running just one monitor (the Acer GD235HZ) with my PD10 machine. I usually operate with dual monitors, but I figured that keeping things as simple as possible while starting out with 3D would be a good idea. Turns out I couldn't make it simple enough.

I've attempted to manage the application settings through my NVidia Control Panel, but I haven't found the right combination to make it work. The monitor is set to always be in 3D, and the control panel recognizes PD10 and realizes it is a 3D application. I'm running the latest drivers as well.

The ONLY thing that I do find a little quirky is that 3D Vision can only be used with my monitor via DVI. HDMI is not an option for 3D Vision. I found that to be a little weird, but I doubt it has anything to do with my current problems. I'll try to tinker around with it a bit more tonight and give some updates.
Wolfgang 1
Newbie Location: Austria/Vienna Joined: May 30, 2010 06:19 Messages: 49 Offline
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It is the same with my ASUS monitor that 3D works only via DVI. Well as long as you use that connection it should be fine.

The settings that I have here in the nvidia control panel are (sorry that I have here the German version, but I try to give you a translation, even if that will not be the exact wording):

Within 3D settings you find the Programm settings. Here you have to add the PD10.

For the PD10 I have here the following settings:
- overlay aktivieren/overlay enable: on
- stereo aktivieren/stereo enable: on
- stereo anzeigemodus/stereo preview modus: generisches aktives stereo (mit nvidia 3D vision)/generic active stereo (with 3D vision)

With the GUI on my 120 Hz ASUS monitor and with one other monitor enabled in the system, I do not get the error message that you describe. I get the error message when I move the GUI to the other monitor.

I see the internal 3D preview in 3D on the internal small display with those settings. If I enable the 3rd monitor that I have in my system, the 3D preview is not shown in the internal small display, but on the full display all the time - and here the PD10 tends to crash from time to time.

Hope that helps.

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Kind regards,
Wolfgang
Brett2424 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Feb 24, 2012 11:16 Messages: 10 Offline
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Thanks for the tips.

Sorry for not being active in this thread for a few days. I haven't forgotten about this. My wife had her wisdom teeth extracted, and I have had no time at all to mess with PD10 because her recovery has been a bit rough.

I'll let you all know when I'm able to get to it and if there are more questions that arise.

@Wolfgang

I know that PD10 is listed in my NVidia Control Panel, and I have tried to mess around with the program settings and turn every possible option on, but I will double-check to verify the options you listed are enabled. Since you have had success with dual monitors, I think I might plug another monitor into my machine to see if I have any luck that way.
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Newbie Joined: Mar 20, 2012 10:37 Messages: 9 Offline
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FYI, I also have PowerDVD 12, and can't get a 3D Blu Ray to display in 3D using 3D Vision. It will only play one eye or the other, but not both. I have no idea what I'm missing. Anyone have any suggestions?
FYI, I can get PowerDVD to work with my 3D Ready projector, but it still won't work with PowerDirector.


What output option works with a 3D ready (DLP link) projector?
Keckeson [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Dösjebro Sweden Joined: Jan 16, 2012 15:02 Messages: 20 Offline
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Hej Brett!
I myself am a beginner with PD10. I have the camera HDR TD10,
Nvidia 3D Vision, Acer GD245HQ, in order to see 3D in the PD10, I have to run the Nvidia control panel and a 3D image from Nvidia photo viewer open, then I can go to PD10 and watch 3D even in edit mode.
It's funny but its the way it is.

Kenneth
Keckeson
Brett2424 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: Feb 24, 2012 11:16 Messages: 10 Offline
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@Kenneth - Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give that a shot and update with whether it works or not.

@insx - I'll get back to you on that whenever I have a chance to mess with this stuff again.
Brett2424 [Avatar]
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For the PD10 I have here the following settings:
- overlay aktivieren/overlay enable: on
- stereo aktivieren/stereo enable: on
- stereo anzeigemodus/stereo preview modus: generisches aktives stereo (mit nvidia 3D vision)/generic active stereo (with 3D vision)


My settings don't really seem to match those very well. What I did is a turned everything on that was related to 3D tech or advanced video settings, still no luck. I still getting the "device does not support this mode" error.

What output option works with a 3D ready (DLP link) projector?


I'm not sure I completely understand your question, but hopefully you got it answered already. If not, maybe you could clarify and I could try to answer it a little better.

Hej Brett!
I myself am a beginner with PD10. I have the camera HDR TD10,
Nvidia 3D Vision, Acer GD245HQ, in order to see 3D in the PD10, I have to run the Nvidia control panel and a 3D image from Nvidia photo viewer open, then I can go to PD10 and watch 3D even in edit mode.
It's funny but its the way it is.


I tried this as well, and I didn't have any luck. I've got a 3D image of a nasty Medusa running just fine, but 3D won't work in PD10. I'm just getting a green screen, and any time I try to switch my display mode to a 120Hz monity or to auto-detect, I get the "device does not support this mode" error.

I'm completely at a loss. I don't think there is anything else I could possibly try. I guess I'll just have to edit in anaglyph and bite the bullet for the time being on the ~$500 I spent on 3D equipment that doesn't work with my software.

I contacted PD customer support about this, and I finally heard back a couple days ago after a few weeks of waiting, but I'm not very hopeful it will actually help at all. I'm sure it will be another 3 weeks before I hear anything back anyway.
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Newbie Joined: Feb 24, 2012 11:16 Messages: 10 Offline
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UPDATE: I have a new development. I am finally able to view the preloaded .mpo images with 3D Vision. Up to this point, I've been unable to do that. HOWEVER, when I attempt to view my .m2ts files, it crashes immediately before it will begin playback. Another thing, it's not giving me the "device does not support this mode" error any more. I'm glad to be rid of that, but now I need to get rid of these crashes.

Another thing that might be noteworthy is that in PD10, I don't have access to all of my hardware acceleration options.

In scouring the web for a fix for this issue, I've seen a lot of people who have trouble with 3D when they can't access their hardware acceleration. In my case, the option to "Enable INTEL Effect Acceleration/NVidia CUDA/......" is grayed out. I have the latest NVidia drivers installed, and I have heard that updating to the latest drivers *usually* solves that problem for people. However, I'm already there, and it's still not working. Is the lack of hardware acceleration causing me to be unable to use my 120Hz monitor in PD10 with 3D Vision, or are these incidents completely unrelated?

Either way, I'd like to be able to turn on hardware acceleration if I would like to, so any ideas on a fix?

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Keckeson [Avatar]
Newbie Location: Dösjebro Sweden Joined: Jan 16, 2012 15:02 Messages: 20 Offline
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Hej Brett!

Yes, as I turn on the 3D vision in PD is probably not the right thing. But it works for me as follows:

When I run the installation wizard to illuminate the IR emitter, but this goes out again when the wizard finishes, I go to 3D vision photo viewer, in my folder are four different 3-D photography, one of them opened and the IR emitter is working again.
Now I can watch my movie in 3D preview in PD10. (Can also edit in 3D)

As I said, this is probably not the right way but I'll do.

Lycka till
Kenneth Keckeson
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Newbie Joined: Mar 20, 2012 10:37 Messages: 9 Offline
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What output option works with a 3D ready (DLP link) projector?


I'm not sure I completely understand your question, but hopefully you got it answered already. If not, maybe you could clarify and I could try to answer it a little better.


You seemed to be saying earlier that you had PowerDVD working with a '3D Ready' projector. I've been hoping to do that but it seems impossible. I was looking for pointers. My 3D Ready DLP projector needs left/right alternate frames at 120Hz via the VGA port with no extra hardware involved.
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