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Is H.265 a poor failed standard ?

it seems that way after Samsung dropped NX1 & NX500...

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I would like to see a PDR14 comparison using Skylake
Ver 5 Quick-Sync vs GTX 9xx & 10xx GPUs - which are significantly
more expensive. GTXs should win but is the "bang for the buck" worth it?Al

see speed rendering tests by Notonotonurb & Julien -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46535.page#242240

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I do have 2 new skylake systems, 1 in
another room and 1 on my test bench, but both are not high end, they
only have a G4400 which would be no use for video editing, i may upgrade
the cpu on one of those systems and use that for video editing as then i
would get the full use of the hardware encoding

for this with PD;

I'll upgrade AMD FX8370E with GTX 1060 and iff

in the future with Intel Kabylake or Scooter Cannonball Lake system, I'll be bringing life back to GTX 750Ti



jamesd1981 asked is H.265 actually worth using? Eugen157 says yes 4K is awesome!!!



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jamesd1981 -Is H.265 worth using?
No - It's not compatible with most media devices currently in use.
Yes - We may need it soon.

According to tech reviews, H.265 (HEVC) introduced in 2013 is coming soon for the following reasons:

POSITIVES

It is far more efficient.
H.264 is a great compression standard for a number of reasons. It provides very good quality at relatively low bitrates, and its widespread use means it’s supported by essentially every video playback device made in the past five to ten years.
Typically, a H.265 encoded file is less than half the size than H.264 at the same viewing quality. Not so important on your PC as disk space gets cheaper, but according to Cisco, 80-90% of internet usage will soon (2017) be video viewing and 4k is here so better compression is a must.

Here is why H.265 is better and how it works
HEVC / H.265 Explained


2. Any computer can decode H.265 using software (in theory, at least). All that’s mandatory is software capable of handling H.265 and a file or stream encoded in it. Support is native to PCs with the release of Windows 10.
Hardware decoding is obviously more efficient.

In the world of OTT playback, we are starting to see HEVC decoding capabilities built into smart TVs. Everyone from Samsung to LG to Sony wants to maximize UHD content over the internet, and 4K resolution produces much larger file sizes than does 1080p. Any codec that can retain quality while reducing overall bitrate is going to keep the owner of a 4K TV happily viewing Netflix or Amazon content with greatly reduced risk of buffering or stalled playback.

NEGATIVES
The biggest for us is that H.265 encoding takes up to ten times more compute power than H.264.

So for anyone not using H.265 now but considering a PC upgrade you should ensure you will have H.265 hardware encoding and decoding for the not too distant future.

Here is my short hardware list:
Intel 6th-generation ‘Skylake’ Core processors or newer
AMD 6th-generation ‘Carizzo’ APUs or newer
AMD ‘Fiji’ GPUs (Radeon R9 Fury/Fury X/Nano) or newer
Nvidia GM206 GPUs (GeForce GTX 960/950) or newer
Other Nvidia GeForce GTX 900 series GPUs have partial HEVC hardware decoding support Power Director 13&14 Ultimate, Photo Director 6, Audio Dir, Pwr2Go 10
Win 10 64, Intel MB DH87MC, Intel i5-4670 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 16Gb DDR3 1600, 128Gb SSD, 2x1Tb WDBlue 7200rpmSATA6, Intel 4600 GPU, Gigabyte G1 GTX960 4GB, LG BluRay Writer

I edit mostly in 4K and have rendered most of my videos to 265 as well as 264. The rendering time, thanks to the GTX960 is about the same, but the 265 quality is not the same.
There are noticeable defects in 265 (but not 264) when looking at scenes with very little contrast change like grey clouds or distant water ripples shot from a cruise ship.


Regardless of PB software including 4K TV USB player.

These defects are there using GPU or CPU rendering.

I hasten to say that most people might not notice them.

265 wii likely improve in time. Hoping that PD15 will allow the burning of UHD, the price of the Samsung player has gone down to near 280 US.

Eugene 73s, WA6JZN ex DL9GC
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PD14,
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4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A

Eugene, did you try to use the same bitrates for the two and then compare the quality?
Probably the H265 default is just too low? I don't have a 4K TV or monitor to check.

SoNic67,

265 is at 35Mb and 264 at 60Mb.

That is also the setting of the AX100 camcorder. Did try the 4K AX100 at 100Mb for a while but found that it made a difference only in rare circumstances, so I went back to 60Mb.

Increasing the 265 bitrate would without a doubt improve the video quality but at the expense of storage space. One of my videos, a 4K 32 min video in 265 takes 8.2 GB of space, in 264 12.2 GB, the space saving is not worth the trouble.

the main reason for my use of 265 is that our 70" VIZIO Tv USB port will not handle 264 4K but only in 265 format.

Most of my own video is shown as 4K 60P 264 via HDMI2 from the PC that is app 10"away from the TV.

More UHD players are showing up in the market place, with PD 15 it might just fall into place with improved encoding.



Eugene



Just love that GTX960, thanks for bringing that up some time ago. It reduced the 265 encoding time from DAYS to just Hours. 73s, WA6JZN ex DL9GC
CYBERLINK PLEASE ADD UHD BLU RAY BURNING SOFTWARE
PD14,
Win10,64bit.CPU i7 6700,16GB ,C= 480 GB SSD ,GPU GTX1060 6GB 1 fan. Plus 3 int, 4 ext HDD's for video etc.LG WH16NS40 reads UHD.
4K 24" ViewSonic monitor.Camera Sony FDR-A