This is what I also discovered. Interesting these chips are 3 years apart with only a 10% increase, you're right un-noticeable. The issue then returns to my original Q: will adding a GTX960 make any major differences? and if it does I am back to my original issues that I can't add one of these cards to my dell as the power supply is not big enough! (And I can't put in a bigger one as the connector are different on Dells!) Phill - Cronin Communication
www.phillcronin.com

PC spec: Win 10pro (64) - i7-4770 - 16Gb Ram - 128 SSD - Radeon R7 200

Not sure where you are getting your information. In the past Dell Power Supplys were non standard. Don't know about now. Look at it this way some other large pc manufacturers also have non standard motherboards, etc. You can ask a Dell tech. to see if they know of a larger replacement P.S. and if is an ATX.

The Motherboard and Power Supply in the Dell Optiplex 9020 are both non standard and proprietary. However Dell does allow the power supply to be upgraded with a standard atx one. They sell an adapter cable to allow this change to be made. See this link: http://www.moddiy.com/products/Dell-OptiPlex-3020-PSU-Main-Power-24%252dPin-to-8%252dPin-Adapter-Cable-%2830cm%29.html .

This is Good News for those for those who want to to add a nVidia GTX 960 or other graphic card and need to replace the proprietary power supply with a more powerful power atx one.

The GTX960 doesn't take too much power compared to other cards, it is build with a very good process. It needs only the 6 pin power connector.

As for power supply upgrades there are always ways around, my Dell Precision T3500 with 525W PS accepted the 1100W PS for the Precision T7500. But that one needed to come from eBay with all the associated cables (they are modular PS). I needed that when I used to have an ATI video card Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition. That one was generating some serious heat and required two power connectors (8 and 6 pin)!

Quote: The Motherboard and Power Supply in the Dell Optiplex 9020 are both non standard and proprietary. However Dell does allow the power supply to be upgraded with a standard atx one. They sell an adapter cable to allow this change to be made. See this link: http://www.moddiy.com/products/Dell-OptiPlex-3020-PSU-Main-Power-24%252dPin-to-8%252dPin-Adapter-Cable-%2830cm%29.html .

This is Good News for those for those who want to to add a nVidia GTX 960 or other graphic card and need to replace the proprietary power supply with a more powerful power atx one.

Thanks for this... oh decisions... Phill - Cronin Communication
www.phillcronin.com

PC spec: Win 10pro (64) - i7-4770 - 16Gb Ram - 128 SSD - Radeon R7 200

Dell Optiplex 9020 comes with a 290W power supply. nVidia recommends for a PC with GTX960 a 400W power supply.
GTX950 requires a 350W power supply.

If you don't play games, and all you need is the video editing, that power draw from GPU drops from 90-120W to probably to only 25-35W extra while encoding a video, witch would make your existing power supply sufficient.

I'm wanting to get a smaller, 12 or 13" laptop that has a detachable keyboard. I've spent the last 2 days+ researching. Mind boggling number of choices. Almost all of what I've seen comes with 2 or 4gb mem and 16 or 32gb SSD, Type C USB. HP has a Spectre x2 that also has a SIM card slot but it is locked with Verizon. I've tried two of the Spectre x2s and had to return them, so I want to stay away from that particular model.

I have to keep my costs down because I'm leaving for a 4 month trip to SE Asia (Laos) and want to do a lot of video as well as photos. I know I will have to use flash drive and/or SD Micro HD cards.

I've purchased a new copy of PD 13 along with a portable (external) DVD/CD writer to use with the new laptop.

What is a better choice - SSD or HDD. What type of processor might be recommended?

Hopefully someone might be able to help me decide without recommending a specific brand. But if you can, please do.

Thanks for any input. Jack
PD 14.0.2302.0 HP h8-1280t, Intel Core i7-3820, CPU 3.60Hzm 64-bit, 10GB mem, 1 TB hard drive

Quote: I'm wanting to get a smaller, 12 or 13" laptop that has a detachable keyboard. I've spent the last 2 days+ researching. Mind boggling number of choices. Almost all of what I've seen comes with 2 or 4gb mem and 16 or 32gb SSD, Type C USB. HP has a Spectre x2 that also has a SIM card slot but it is locked with Verizon. I've tried two of the Spectre x2s and had to return them, so I want to stay away from that particular model.

... What type of processor might be recommended?

Hopefully someone might be able to help me decide without recommending a specific brand. But if you can, please do.

Thanks for any input.

to help your quest i've looked up 12-13" laptops and frankly all you're doing is bending over.

cpu power is anemic, memory is below senile, hd space is... well you fill in the blanks, and expensive!

so for similar price level i recommend this one. sure it's big and bulky but money wise...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-GT72-Dominator-17-3-Core-i7-6820HK-NVIDIA-GTX-970M-3-GDDR5-W10-CUSTOM/222259479212?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39242%26meid%3D4670b8df9da34a66b2148db811a7c182%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222259476949

also check out 15", too.

check out your cpu and gpu levels at http://www.cpubenchmark.net/

make sure your power supply is dual voltage if not then you'll find out on first plug in.

p.s.

cpu - fastest, what you can afford without breaking the bank. avoid cpus with single suffixes

ix-xxxxU / M to name a few at all cost! if in doubt then check it out at cpubenchmark.

cpubenchmark score ≥8000.

mem - ≥12GB

primary ssd/hd - ≥320GB

gpu - ≥1Gb speed check it out at cpubenchmark.

cpubenchmark score ≥2000( ~ gtx965M/ > gtx 550TI).



p.s.

this year's my journey to the west's, round trip ~ 5K miles, total video was 1TB at 50-80Mb/sec.
my nx1, dell xps l702x & 2-SanDisk 64GB Extreme PRO MicroSDXC + 3-Samsung Evo 64GB MicroSDXC was full.


happy happy joy joy

PepsiMan

'garbage in garbage out' 'no bridge too far'

Yashica Electro 8 LD-6 Super 8mm
Asrock TaiChi X470, AMD R7 2700X, W7P 64, MSI GTX1060 6GB, Corsair 16GB/RAM
Dell XPS L702X i7-2860QM, W7P / W10P 64, Intel HD3000/nVidia GT 550M 1GB, Micron 16GB/RAM
Samsung Galaxy Note3/NX1

Thank you PepsiMan for your reply.

I know that what I've ben looking at is not the best I could do. I did check-out your link and "wow" is appropriate on that.

However, because I'm up in the years and don't have a lot of money to spend, I'm just try to "get the best bang for my buck".

Two factors are in play - cost and size/weight. While the MSI is what I'd prefer if I had the money, I doubt I'd get it for my trip.

I don't want to take something bulky and heavy on a 20+ hour flight time fighting the TSA type security checks 3-4 times. I'm looking for something small and lighy that I can put in my carry-on and not have to tote it separately.

As for video/photos, I'm not worried about the camera in whatever I purchase. I have a video camera that takes 720 video as well as high quality photos. It has a built-in 80gb hard drive, so that aspect of my search is not critical. I want something that will allow me to be able to download what ever videos/photos into the unit so that I can 1. use my PD13 to process/burn a video or two; save everything on flash drives, SD cards or my 150gb external hard drive so that when I return home, I can use my HP desktop that has 16gb mem, 1tb hdd, i7 @ 3.62ghz, DVD burner and get serious on producing videos on PD15.

In addition, I need something that is somewhat "mobile" while I'm on my trip. It is sort of a family affair and I need something that I can download/install certain apps that will allow various family members to make calls home (with or without video) to check on things.

I guess I sort of rambled-on and I apologize if I offend you with this reply. I appreciate your post but it is beyond what I was looking for. Maybe, someday, I will be able to afford something like you have. Right now, won't happen.

Thanks again. Jack
PD 14.0.2302.0 HP h8-1280t, Intel Core i7-3820, CPU 3.60Hzm 64-bit, 10GB mem, 1 TB hard drive

It is probably better to start a new topic because the OP problem was adding a graphics card to his desktop.

Any laptop would probably work as long as you use with your old jvc sd camcorder that gave you so many problems in the past. You can expect problems with low cost laptops if you ever decide to shoot with a HD resolution camcorder or camera.

Ah Thanks tomasc for your post.
Not sure what you mean the OP problem was adding graphics to his desktop.
Yes, my old JVC camcorder is just like brand new. Sent it to a gentleman in Lompoc, CA and he fixed it for a very nominal sum. I recommend him 100%.
Not looking for a "barn burner" laptop. Just something a tad more than basic. I can deal with the various short comings. More interested in making sure I can download some aps so family in Laos can check on their family here in CA. Specifically - Line. Free calls to anyone that has Line.
Again, thank you so much Jack
PD 14.0.2302.0 HP h8-1280t, Intel Core i7-3820, CPU 3.60Hzm 64-bit, 10GB mem, 1 TB hard drive

Phill6050,

Did you ever get a chance to set up your system yet? How is PD handling it?



Thanks.

Quote Plan to order it today so maybe later next week I may to to do the test... Now to reinstall everything at set it up!...

Quote Phill6050,

Did you ever get a chance to set up your system yet? How is PD handling it?



Thanks.



Yes. Long time ago. I've since upgraded to PD15 and right now, while in S.E. Asia, using PD13 on my split laptop.

I was sure I marked this post as solved and if not, willl do it now.

Quote Plan to order it today so maybe later next week I may to to do the test... Now to reinstall everything at set it up!...

Jack
PD 14.0.2302.0 HP h8-1280t, Intel Core i7-3820, CPU 3.60Hzm 64-bit, 10GB mem, 1 TB hard drive

Great to hear. What did you end up getting? How does the system handle PD 15? Any 'preview' issues with 4K Editing at all?

Lastly, did you custom build your system or you bouaght an ''already built system?

I apologize for all the questions. But would greatly appreciate the response.

-Thanks

Quote

Quote Phill6050,

Did you ever get a chance to set up your system yet? How is PD handling it?



Thanks.



Yes. Long time ago. I've since upgraded to PD15 and right now, while in S.E. Asia, using PD13 on my split laptop.

I was sure I marked this post as solved and if not, willl do it now.

Quote Plan to order it today so maybe later next week I may to to do the test... Now to reinstall everything at set it up!...

Not sure what you mean by "system". If you are referring to the laptop I purchased, here's the stats: o

It's not the best or really what I wanted, but with a short window before I left on my trip, it was the only one I could get before I left.

Right now, I have about 20 hours of videos and I've set them up in PD 13 and saved there. When I return home in about 13 days, I will continue to process them and then transfer them to my desktop. Very limited in what I can do on the laptop/tablet because of such a small hard drive. So, I have to use my portable HD to save original videos. (BTW the info you see at the bottom of this post is my desktop @ home.)

As for 4K, haven't gotten into that process yet. Don't have the necessary equipment that will handle it. Same as 3D.

Any other questions, feel free to ask. Jack
PD 14.0.2302.0 HP h8-1280t, Intel Core i7-3820, CPU 3.60Hzm 64-bit, 10GB mem, 1 TB hard drive

I see the last reaction is of januari 2016 but I'am still interested in this subject.

I am living in The Netherlands (sorry for the incorrect English) and do a lot of nature filming. Since end 2015 I film in UHD with a Panasonic HC-VXF990 connected to a Kowa TSN 883 Telescope. When I come home with a lot of material I first select the parts I want to keep. Important for me is to do fast skipping of the material. I than make short films of the selected material per subject(bird / animal / place). The rest of the material I delete. Important for me is the performance during editing and not the ammount of effects. In the past I chose Powerdirector for its performance.

I have been wondering a lot of times what is the best computer for editing with, at this moment, Power director Ultra 14.

I still use an older I7 3770 computer with 8 GB of RAM, several SATA disks, Samsung EVO 256 GB SSD systemdisk using a GTX750 card as well as build in intel graphics 3000.

At this moment I film with a panasonic HC-VXF990 UHD cam and I do a lot of editing for a friend which films with a sony TD20 3D camcorder in so called MVC format (3D full HD 50p)
My UHD films are rendered in X-AVC S format 25p 60Mbps.
The 3D films are rendered in 3D, H264 AVC, m2ts, 1920 * 1080 50p, 28mbps or to Bluray files in AVC format.
These formats give the best results on LG UHD 3D TV's of 55" and 84" we use.

During the past years I did several tests with these formats on different computers. One of the last systems I tested was a "heavy" one with a I7 5775C, 16 GB RAM, IRIS Pro graphics 6200 and Samsung pro 500 GB SSD and SATA 600 disks and the latest MSI motherboard.
I did several heavy tasks with projects with light/color enhancements etc. The performance enhancement of different types of videos was average 30 % to max 40 %. What amazes me the most is that when I look in taskmanager at the load of the CPU this is about 100%. The memory used by PD 14 was max 4 GB(?????) and the diskload never was over 50% (??). What conclusion I may take with these figures is a big question for me.
I did the same test on a I7 6700K with a GTX 970, 32 GB RAM and Samsung PRO SSD and this system performed 10% worse than the 5775C.
Looking at Passmark tests my old I7 3770 (9342) compared to the I7 6700 (9954) is still not outdated.

What is important for me!
Looking at all kind of systems I conclude that the most important for me in a video editing system is the performance during editing. I mean the reaction on mouse and keyboard and the smooth playing of the video, including corrections during editing.
The time a system needs to create my film at the end is not so interesting for me.

What amazes me is that when I'm editing a project it often looks the system is hanging. It stays death for several seconds (look like minutes). When I look in taskmanager the load of the system/disks/memory is low but Powerdirector is getting no attention.
How much this is caused by modules like PDHanumanSVr or interrupts by windows, I don't know. In that situation using the keyboard or the mouse too much often causes PD to hang.
The big enhancement of a dedicated Graphics Card, much RAM I haven't seen yet. Last week I tested a I7 7700 system with a Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6GB card and 32GB RAM. The realtime performance wasn't better than with this card removed, using the build in graphics Intel® HD Graphics 630 of the I7. During rendering it used max 5 GB of RAM!! 3D didn't even function correct with the GTX and PD14 so we removed this $ 300 card.

Is there anyone (specialist at cyberlink?) who can say what realy does matter looking at realtime performance during editing of UHD in Powerdirector 14 / 15!!!

welcome to the forum.

happy new year & ground hog day.

Quote I see the last reaction is of januari 2016 but I'am still interested in this subject...


Is there anyone (specialist at cyberlink?) who can say what realy does matter looking at realtime performance during editing of UHD in Powerdirector 14 / 15!!!

we're not related to cyberlink. we're users like youself.

you should have opened a new thread on your observations.


recommend highly of discrete video cards and 12-16GB RAM. PD 14 will use up to 8GBs.


GTX960 Performance Comparisons -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46135.page#238842

Hardware Acceleration -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/51023.page

Quick look at GTX1070 Encode Performance with PD14 -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/48751.page#258423

Speed rendering tests: NVidia and Skylake GPU -> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/46535.page

etc.


for your example.

Blu-ray's max bitrate 1080 60i or 30p/28Mb/sec then 4k's bitrate should be 28Mb/sec x4=112Mb/sec.

yours 4k uhd@ 60Mb/sec -> 60Mb/sec / 4= 15Mb/sec @1080 25p.

in my opinion, 1080 50p @28Mb/sec is in the low side and whole bunch artifacts. if max bitrate for 1080 60p is at 44Mb/sec

then for 4k should be 176Mb/sec. when you put this video in the timeline then you'll definitely see skips and slowdowns, etc

while editing. hence use of shadow files, converting to AVI( magic+ pd solution), subsititution method for aggravation free

editing.


wait till you edit some HEVC H.265 videos, you'll love it more!

welcome.

PepsiMan

'garabge in garbage out'



p.s.

want to download a sample HEVC H.265 to play with if don't have'em. 07060132.mp4

-> http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/45534.page#235160

also

forgot to mention my recommendations for 4k computer spec.

CPU ≥ 8000

GPU ≥ 5000

RAM ≥ 16GB 'no bridge too far'

Yashica Electro 8 LD-6 Super 8mm
Asrock TaiChi X470, AMD R7 2700X, W7P 64, MSI GTX1060 6GB, Corsair 16GB/RAM
Dell XPS L702X i7-2860QM, W7P / W10P 64, Intel HD3000/nVidia GT 550M 1GB, Micron 16GB/RAM
Samsung Galaxy Note3/NX1

Quote I see the last reaction is of januari 2016 but I'am still interested in this subject.

I am living in The Netherlands (sorry for the incorrect English) and do a lot of nature filming. Since end 2015 I film in UHD with a Panasonic HC-VXF990 connected to a Kowa TSN 883 Telescope. When I come home with a lot of material I first select the parts I want to keep. Important for me is to do fast skipping of the material. I than make short films of the selected material per subject(bird / animal / place). The rest of the material I delete. Important for me is the performance during editing and not the ammount of effects. In the past I chose Powerdirector for its performance.

I have been wondering a lot of times what is the best computer for editing with, at this moment, Power director Ultra 14.

I still use an older I7 3770 computer with 8 GB of RAM, several SATA disks, Samsung EVO 256 GB SSD systemdisk using a GTX750 card as well as build in intel graphics 3000.

At this moment I film with a panasonic HC-VXF990 UHD cam and I do a lot of editing for a friend which films with a sony TD20 3D camcorder in so called MVC format (3D full HD 50p)
My UHD films are rendered in X-AVC S format 25p 60Mbps.
The 3D films are rendered in 3D, H264 AVC, m2ts, 1920 * 1080 50p, 28mbps or to Bluray files in AVC format.
These formats give the best results on LG UHD 3D TV's of 55" and 84" we use.

During the past years I did several tests with these formats on different computers. One of the last systems I tested was a "heavy" one with a I7 5775C, 16 GB RAM, IRIS Pro graphics 6200 and Samsung pro 500 GB SSD and SATA 600 disks and the latest MSI motherboard.
I did several heavy tasks with projects with light/color enhancements etc. The performance enhancement of different types of videos was average 30 % to max 40 %. What amazes me the most is that when I look in taskmanager at the load of the CPU this is about 100%. The memory used by PD 14 was max 4 GB(?????) and the diskload never was over 50% (??). What conclusion I may take with these figures is a big question for me.
I did the same test on a I7 6700K with a GTX 970, 32 GB RAM and Samsung PRO SSD and this system performed 10% worse than the 5775C.
Looking at Passmark tests my old I7 3770 (9342) compared to the I7 6700 (9954) is still not outdated.

What is important for me!
Looking at all kind of systems I conclude that the most important for me in a video editing system is the performance during editing. I mean the reaction on mouse and keyboard and the smooth playing of the video, including corrections during editing.
The time a system needs to create my film at the end is not so interesting for me.

What amazes me is that when I'm editing a project it often looks the system is hanging. It stays death for several seconds (look like minutes). When I look in taskmanager the load of the system/disks/memory is low but Powerdirector is getting no attention.
How much this is caused by modules like PDHanumanSVr or interrupts by windows, I don't know. In that situation using the keyboard or the mouse too much often causes PD to hang.
The big enhancement of a dedicated Graphics Card, much RAM I haven't seen yet. Last week I tested a I7 7700 system with a Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6GB card and 32GB RAM. The realtime performance wasn't better than with this card removed, using the build in graphics Intel® HD Graphics 630 of the I7. During rendering it used max 5 GB of RAM!! 3D didn't even function correct with the GTX and PD14 so we removed this $ 300 card.

Is there anyone (specialist at cyberlink?) who can say what realy does matter looking at realtime performance during editing of UHD in Powerdirector 14 / 15!!!

Hi

First I appoligize to the other members of this forum for writing in Dutch. I am from Belgium and everything I write here has already been published in other posts. So, it is for Jan that i write especially.

Hallo Jan, ik heb ongeveer hetzelfde probleem. Ik werk met PD14 op een Asus portable met i7-3630 QM en een GT635M. Voorts 12 gb intern geheugen en ssd enz. Wat je cpu load betreft heb ik hetzelfde ondervonden. Iedereen spreekt over 32 gb ram, maar ik zie ook zelden meer dan 5 gb dat gebruikt wordt. Ik weet niet of je de discussie volgt over het falen van NVidia kaarten, maar bij mij werkt de gt635m voor geen meter. Het heeft gewerkt blijkbaar tot en met versie 13 van PD, maar nadien zijn er problemen gekomen. NVidia zegt dat het een Cyberlink probleem is en omgekeerd. Via NVidia Inspector zou je het moeten kunnen klaren, maar het is niet simpel. Zelfs wanneer je op je bureaublad rechts klikt en je programma opstart met krachtige grafische processor, vertikt de NVidia om te werken. Vorige week heb ik een MSI laptop gekocht, 16gb ram en Geforce 1050Ti met 4 GB en het ding werkte nog slechter dan met mijn 4 jaar oude laptop. Waarom? Omdat ik in de bios van mijn oude laptop het videogeheugen dat bestemd is voor mijn HD4000 ingebouwde gpu van Intel kan aanpassen. In de bios van de MSI ging dat zelfs niet en was het max geheugen beperkt tot 128 mb (megabyte, kun je voorstellen). Gelukkig kan ik het toestel terugsturen naar Coolblue. Mijn videobewerkingen komen ongeveer overeen met die van jouw (simpele aanpassingen via Color Director enz.).

Ik zou je willen voorstellen om eens te kijken naar de NUC van Intel

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk-features-configurations.html

Daar zit nl. een Iris Pro 580 in als grafische kaart. Geen simpel geval. Die dingen worden trouwens ook in de Macs van Apple gebruikt ( en die werken met Final Cut Pro, het topprogramma bij uitstek voor video). Google eens uitgebreid. Voldoende tests en specs.

Ik denk dus dat het feit dat de GTX 1060 geen verbetering gaf, ligt in het feit dat die kaart gewoon niet gebruikt werd door PowerDirector.

Veel succes verder nog met je zoektocht naar een oplossing.

groeten

Louis V (België - Belgium)

Quote

Quote I see the last reaction is of januari 2016 but I'am still interested in this subject.

I am living in The Netherlands (sorry for the incorrect English) and do a lot of nature filming. Since end 2015 I film in UHD with a Panasonic HC-VXF990 connected to a Kowa TSN 883 Telescope. When I come home with a lot of material I first select the parts I want to keep. Important for me is to do fast skipping of the material. I than make short films of the selected material per subject(bird / animal / place). The rest of the material I delete. Important for me is the performance during editing and not the ammount of effects. In the past I chose Powerdirector for its performance.

I have been wondering a lot of times what is the best computer for editing with, at this moment, Power director Ultra 14.

I still use an older I7 3770 computer with 8 GB of RAM, several SATA disks, Samsung EVO 256 GB SSD systemdisk using a GTX750 card as well as build in intel graphics 3000.

At this moment I film with a panasonic HC-VXF990 UHD cam and I do a lot of editing for a friend which films with a sony TD20 3D camcorder in so called MVC format (3D full HD 50p)
My UHD films are rendered in X-AVC S format 25p 60Mbps.
The 3D films are rendered in 3D, H264 AVC, m2ts, 1920 * 1080 50p, 28mbps or to Bluray files in AVC format.
These formats give the best results on LG UHD 3D TV's of 55" and 84" we use.

During the past years I did several tests with these formats on different computers. One of the last systems I tested was a "heavy" one with a I7 5775C, 16 GB RAM, IRIS Pro graphics 6200 and Samsung pro 500 GB SSD and SATA 600 disks and the latest MSI motherboard.
I did several heavy tasks with projects with light/color enhancements etc. The performance enhancement of different types of videos was average 30 % to max 40 %. What amazes me the most is that when I look in taskmanager at the load of the CPU this is about 100%. The memory used by PD 14 was max 4 GB(?????) and the diskload never was over 50% (??). What conclusion I may take with these figures is a big question for me.
I did the same test on a I7 6700K with a GTX 970, 32 GB RAM and Samsung PRO SSD and this system performed 10% worse than the 5775C.
Looking at Passmark tests my old I7 3770 (9342) compared to the I7 6700 (9954) is still not outdated.

What is important for me!
Looking at all kind of systems I conclude that the most important for me in a video editing system is the performance during editing. I mean the reaction on mouse and keyboard and the smooth playing of the video, including corrections during editing.
The time a system needs to create my film at the end is not so interesting for me.

What amazes me is that when I'm editing a project it often looks the system is hanging. It stays death for several seconds (look like minutes). When I look in taskmanager the load of the system/disks/memory is low but Powerdirector is getting no attention.
How much this is caused by modules like PDHanumanSVr or interrupts by windows, I don't know. In that situation using the keyboard or the mouse too much often causes PD to hang.
The big enhancement of a dedicated Graphics Card, much RAM I haven't seen yet. Last week I tested a I7 7700 system with a Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6GB card and 32GB RAM. The realtime performance wasn't better than with this card removed, using the build in graphics Intel® HD Graphics 630 of the I7. During rendering it used max 5 GB of RAM!! 3D didn't even function correct with the GTX and PD14 so we removed this $ 300 card.

Is there anyone (specialist at cyberlink?) who can say what realy does matter looking at realtime performance during editing of UHD in Powerdirector 14 / 15!!!

Hi

First I appoligize to the other members of this forum for writing in Dutch. I am from Belgium and everything I write here has already been published in other posts. So, it is for Jan that i write especially.

Hallo Jan, ik heb ongeveer hetzelfde probleem. Ik werk met PD14 op een Asus portable met i7-3630 QM en een GT635M. Voorts 12 gb intern geheugen en ssd enz. Wat je cpu load betreft heb ik hetzelfde ondervonden. Iedereen spreekt over 32 gb ram, maar ik zie ook zelden meer dan 5 gb dat gebruikt wordt. Ik weet niet of je de discussie volgt over het falen van NVidia kaarten, maar bij mij werkt de gt635m voor geen meter. Het heeft gewerkt blijkbaar tot en met versie 13 van PD, maar nadien zijn er problemen gekomen. NVidia zegt dat het een Cyberlink probleem is en omgekeerd. Via NVidia Inspector zou je het moeten kunnen klaren, maar het is niet simpel. Zelfs wanneer je op je bureaublad rechts klikt en je programma opstart met krachtige grafische processor, vertikt de NVidia om te werken. Vorige week heb ik een MSI laptop gekocht, 16gb ram en Geforce 1050Ti met 4 GB en het ding werkte nog slechter dan met mijn 4 jaar oude laptop. Waarom? Omdat ik in de bios van mijn oude laptop het videogeheugen dat bestemd is voor mijn HD4000 ingebouwde gpu van Intel kan aanpassen. In de bios van de MSI ging dat zelfs niet en was het max geheugen beperkt tot 128 mb (megabyte, kun je voorstellen). Gelukkig kan ik het toestel terugsturen naar Coolblue. Mijn videobewerkingen komen ongeveer overeen met die van jouw (simpele aanpassingen via Color Director enz.).

Ik zou je willen voorstellen om eens te kijken naar de NUC van Intel

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk-features-configurations.html

Daar zit nl. een Iris Pro 580 in als grafische kaart. Geen simpel geval. Die dingen worden trouwens ook in de Macs van Apple gebruikt ( en die werken met Final Cut Pro, het topprogramma bij uitstek voor video). Google eens uitgebreid. Voldoende tests en specs.

Ik denk dus dat het feit dat de GTX 1060 geen verbetering gaf, ligt in het feit dat die kaart gewoon niet gebruikt werd door PowerDirector.

Veel succes verder nog met je zoektocht naar een oplossing.

groeten

Louis V (België - Belgium)

Dank je wel voor je reactie Louis,

Ik heb tot voor 2 jaar getest voor Cyberlink Europe en veel fouten uit powerdirector gehaald.
deze vraag ook meerdere malen aan deze mensen gesteld maar zelden een fatsoenlijk antwoord gekregen.

Cyberlink Europe is destijds dermate uitgekleed dat al mijn contacten toen vertrokken zijn.

groeten,

Jan vdh

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Quote I see the last reaction is of januari 2016 but I'am still interested in this subject.

I am living in The Netherlands (sorry for the incorrect English) and do a lot of nature filming. Since end 2015 I film in UHD with a Panasonic HC-VXF990 connected to a Kowa TSN 883 Telescope. When I come home with a lot of material I first select the parts I want to keep. Important for me is to do fast skipping of the material. I than make short films of the selected material per subject(bird / animal / place). The rest of the material I delete. Important for me is the performance during editing and not the ammount of effects. In the past I chose Powerdirector for its performance.

I have been wondering a lot of times what is the best computer for editing with, at this moment, Power director Ultra 14.

I still use an older I7 3770 computer with 8 GB of RAM, several SATA disks, Samsung EVO 256 GB SSD systemdisk using a GTX750 card as well as build in intel graphics 3000.

At this moment I film with a panasonic HC-VXF990 UHD cam and I do a lot of editing for a friend which films with a sony TD20 3D camcorder in so called MVC format (3D full HD 50p)
My UHD films are rendered in X-AVC S format 25p 60Mbps.
The 3D films are rendered in 3D, H264 AVC, m2ts, 1920 * 1080 50p, 28mbps or to Bluray files in AVC format.
These formats give the best results on LG UHD 3D TV's of 55" and 84" we use.

During the past years I did several tests with these formats on different computers. One of the last systems I tested was a "heavy" one with a I7 5775C, 16 GB RAM, IRIS Pro graphics 6200 and Samsung pro 500 GB SSD and SATA 600 disks and the latest MSI motherboard.
I did several heavy tasks with projects with light/color enhancements etc. The performance enhancement of different types of videos was average 30 % to max 40 %. What amazes me the most is that when I look in taskmanager at the load of the CPU this is about 100%. The memory used by PD 14 was max 4 GB(?????) and the diskload never was over 50% (??). What conclusion I may take with these figures is a big question for me.
I did the same test on a I7 6700K with a GTX 970, 32 GB RAM and Samsung PRO SSD and this system performed 10% worse than the 5775C.
Looking at Passmark tests my old I7 3770 (9342) compared to the I7 6700 (9954) is still not outdated.

What is important for me!
Looking at all kind of systems I conclude that the most important for me in a video editing system is the performance during editing. I mean the reaction on mouse and keyboard and the smooth playing of the video, including corrections during editing.
The time a system needs to create my film at the end is not so interesting for me.

What amazes me is that when I'm editing a project it often looks the system is hanging. It stays death for several seconds (look like minutes). When I look in taskmanager the load of the system/disks/memory is low but Powerdirector is getting no attention.
How much this is caused by modules like PDHanumanSVr or interrupts by windows, I don't know. In that situation using the keyboard or the mouse too much often causes PD to hang.
The big enhancement of a dedicated Graphics Card, much RAM I haven't seen yet. Last week I tested a I7 7700 system with a Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6GB card and 32GB RAM. The realtime performance wasn't better than with this card removed, using the build in graphics Intel® HD Graphics 630 of the I7. During rendering it used max 5 GB of RAM!! 3D didn't even function correct with the GTX and PD14 so we removed this $ 300 card.

Is there anyone (specialist at cyberlink?) who can say what realy does matter looking at realtime performance during editing of UHD in Powerdirector 14 / 15!!!

Hi

First I appoligize to the other members of this forum for writing in Dutch. I am from Belgium and everything I write here has already been published in other posts. So, it is for Jan that i write especially.

Hallo Jan, ik heb ongeveer hetzelfde probleem. Ik werk met PD14 op een Asus portable met i7-3630 QM en een GT635M. Voorts 12 gb intern geheugen en ssd enz. Wat je cpu load betreft heb ik hetzelfde ondervonden. Iedereen spreekt over 32 gb ram, maar ik zie ook zelden meer dan 5 gb dat gebruikt wordt. Ik weet niet of je de discussie volgt over het falen van NVidia kaarten, maar bij mij werkt de gt635m voor geen meter. Het heeft gewerkt blijkbaar tot en met versie 13 van PD, maar nadien zijn er problemen gekomen. NVidia zegt dat het een Cyberlink probleem is en omgekeerd. Via NVidia Inspector zou je het moeten kunnen klaren, maar het is niet simpel. Zelfs wanneer je op je bureaublad rechts klikt en je programma opstart met krachtige grafische processor, vertikt de NVidia om te werken. Vorige week heb ik een MSI laptop gekocht, 16gb ram en Geforce 1050Ti met 4 GB en het ding werkte nog slechter dan met mijn 4 jaar oude laptop. Waarom? Omdat ik in de bios van mijn oude laptop het videogeheugen dat bestemd is voor mijn HD4000 ingebouwde gpu van Intel kan aanpassen. In de bios van de MSI ging dat zelfs niet en was het max geheugen beperkt tot 128 mb (megabyte, kun je voorstellen). Gelukkig kan ik het toestel terugsturen naar Coolblue. Mijn videobewerkingen komen ongeveer overeen met die van jouw (simpele aanpassingen via Color Director enz.).

Ik zou je willen voorstellen om eens te kijken naar de NUC van Intel

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk-features-configurations.html

Daar zit nl. een Iris Pro 580 in als grafische kaart. Geen simpel geval. Die dingen worden trouwens ook in de Macs van Apple gebruikt ( en die werken met Final Cut Pro, het topprogramma bij uitstek voor video). Google eens uitgebreid. Voldoende tests en specs.

Ik denk dus dat het feit dat de GTX 1060 geen verbetering gaf, ligt in het feit dat die kaart gewoon niet gebruikt werd door PowerDirector.

Veel succes verder nog met je zoektocht naar een oplossing.

groeten

Louis V (België - Belgium)

Dank je wel voor je reactie Louis,

Ik heb tot voor 2 jaar getest voor Cyberlink Europe en veel fouten uit powerdirector gehaald.
deze vraag ook meerdere malen aan deze mensen gesteld maar zelden een fatsoenlijk antwoord gekregen.

Cyberlink Europe is destijds dermate uitgekleed dat al mijn contacten toen vertrokken zijn.

groeten,

Jan vdh

Hallo Jan

Nog even dit meegeven. Ik lees in je Engelse post dat er bijna geen verschil zat tussen de 1060 en de hd630. Ben je zeker dat de 1060 echt wel actief was? NVidia heeft 2 simpele tooltjes (waarschijnlijk ken je die wel) die onmiddellijk laten zien of de kaart actief is. Optimus Tools_64bit. Ik ben ondertussen ook te weten gekomen dat in sommige bios'en er een keuzemogelijkheid is tussen MSHybrid en de dedicated kaart. Probleem is dat niet alle bios'en die mogelijkheid aanbieden. Afhankelijk van de keuze start de pc dan altijd op met die kaart. Vermits je bij het editten soms moet wachten (is bij mij ook het geval bij grote bestanden waar ik snel doorga) heb ik het gevoel dat het de iGPU is die aanstaat. Trouwens de HD530 is sneller dan de HD630 (ter info).

mvg

Louis