Quote: Hi folks, I have a GTX-580 and would like your opinion on whether an upgrade to a GTX-960 4GB would be worthwhile for a better 4K editing experience.

My current setup is Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3, i7-2700k at stock, 32GB RAM, Windows 8.1, SSD's & 7200 HDD's

There's no doubt that PD is more dependent of the CPU than the GPU. M326 was asking if a GPU upgrade would make a better 4K editing experience. It seems his system should have no problem with editing 4K videos.

My point was that he very well may run out of VRAM if he uses the GTX580, so the upgrade would improve his 4K viewing experience. Asus X79-Deluxe, Intel i7-4930K, EVGA GTX 980ti, G.Skill memory 16GB, Corsair HX1000 PSU, OCZ Vertex4 SSD, OCZ Vector180 480GB, (2)Western Digital Black 1TB(RAID0), Western Digital 2TB, LG Blue Ray Burner, Lite-on DVD Burner, Logitech G19 keyboard, Window

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Quote: Hi folks, I have a GTX-580 and would like your opinion on whether an upgrade to a GTX-960 4GB would be worthwhile for a better 4K editing experience.

My current setup is Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3, i7-2700k at stock, 32GB RAM, Windows 8.1, SSD's & 7200 HDD's

There's no doubt that PD is more dependent of the CPU than the GPU. M326 was asking if a GPU upgrade would make a better 4K editing experience. It seems his system should have no problem with editing 4K videos.

My point was that he very well may run out of VRAM if he uses the GTX580, so the upgrade would improve his 4K viewing experience.

OP could check his actual VRAM usage, a GPUZ spec pic of card was posted earlier.

Skibum, please attach a pic showing VRAM usage with PD13 edit session of 1-1.5GB+, I'd really like to see it. No game active, just a basic PD13 editing session.

With OP GTX580, the best one could display is a 2560x1600, my guess is more likely OP has a 1920x1080 display and current editing and producing sessions in PD13 are using much less than 1GB VRAM while working with 4K streams and fit well within the GTX580. An attached pic from OP would clarify.

Jeff

The GPU memory is not used that much by the video editors.

The most I get is when I am producing a 4k video - 774MB (but I have turned off the preview, to speed up things). My monitor is just a 24" one, so only 1680x1050.

Apologies for not replying sooner, I have been busy tearing my hair out...

I bought an EVGA 960 card and have had constant problems with it, I can't get a DVI-D picture out of it in Windows once the drivers are installed. HDMI on my lounge TV and VGA (via the supplied adapter) work OK - nothing digital on my Dell 2407wfp!
It's been so frustrating, my MB BIOS was updated & reset, no joy. In safe mode I have uninstalled the video drivers (DDU) and it boots back into Windows, as the drivers are installing I lose the DVD-D connection & have to revert to VGA.
I have spent a full day on this problem now & can't a solution. Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3, i7-2700k, 32GB RAM, GTX-580, SSD's 7200 HDD's, Titanium HD sound, Win8.1 Pro. Pd13Ultra, GH4, Tascam DR-07

Quote: Apologies for not replying sooner, I have been busy tearing my hair out...

I bought an EVGA 960 card and have had constant problems with it, I can't get a DVI-D picture out of it in Windows once the drivers are installed. HDMI on my lounge TV and VGA (via the supplied adapter) work OK - nothing digital on my Dell 2407wfp!
It's been so frustrating, my MB BIOS was updated & reset, no joy. In safe mode I have uninstalled the video drivers (DDU) and it boots back into Windows, as the drivers are installing I lose the DVD-D connection & have to revert to VGA.
I have spent a full day on this problem now & can't a solution.

How are you connecting your DVI-D device? Sounds like you are using the supplied DVI-I to VGA connector for some VGA device. One HDMI port for for the TV. The port on the GTX960 is DVI-I not DVI-D, the 2407wfp monitor is DVI-D. What type of adaptor are you using for your 2407wfp monitor?

Jeff

Hi Jeff, my monitor has a VGA input which works OK when used with the DVI to VGA adapter supplied with the card and a standard VGA cable.

As I understand it, and according to Nvidia's Guide.. the card has a dual DVI-I connector which is capable of outputting both VGA (via the extra pins) and DVI-D digital. The cable I am using and have always used with my GTX-580 is a single DVI-D cable plugged into the monitors DVI-D port. I can't see that I need an adapter for a digital connection, never did before.

I did mention that using only the DVI-D cable in the DVI-I port and without any drivers loaded for the card, I can boot into Windows - so this is with a digital signal, it's only when the drivers for the card are installed - I lose the digital connection and have to unplug the cable and plug in the VGA cable and adapter to continue. Most odd.

EDIT: Because my new card supports higher resolutions does this mean I should use a dual link cable even though my monitor doesn't support those higher resolutions?
EDIT-2: I remembered I have a DVI to HDMI cable which works in the opposite direction, HDMI to DVI and finally my monitor is recognised instead of being generic and I have a digital picture! Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3, i7-2700k, 32GB RAM, GTX-580, SSD's 7200 HDD's, Titanium HD sound, Win8.1 Pro. Pd13Ultra, GH4, Tascam DR-07

m326, I'm really sorry to hear how difficult this has been. Based on everything I've read here and about your EVGA card and Dell monitor online, it looks like you shouldn't have any trouble connecting the DVI-I port on the 960 to your DVI-D monitor using the supplied cable.

I'm wondering if there's a mismatch between the resolution/frequency your monitor is expecting (or capable of) and what Windows is sending out.

When you're connected via VGA, go to Display Properties and click on Detect. Take note of the info. Then without installing the nVidia driver, connect via DVI and try that again. You might need to manually set the 960 to run at one of the resolutions and settings found in the Dell 2407wfp as shown on this spec *sheet*

You might also want to try setting the monitor to Auto Adjust and see if that solves the problem.

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Quote: EDIT-2: I remembered I have a DVI to HDMI cable which works in the opposite direction, HDMI to DVI and finally my monitor is recognised instead of being generic and I have a digital picture!

That's what I was thinking, glad you got it going, enjoy.

Jeff

I remember the era of 16:10 monitors. I am assuming that you did uninstalled the older nVidia driver and installed the latest one. According to the dell spec sheet, the vertical frequency must be 60 Hz only for the 1920x1200 resolution in which I assume that you want to use.

I tried optodata's suggestion but the boot into windows froze with an odd torn Windows logo on the screen, after a reset the digital connection was unavailable
I have also tried the card in another PCI-E slot & tried powering off everything for 30 minutes removing power/cables, draining power etc. No joy.

I have contacted the card supplier and also EVGA after registering the product and uploading proof of purchase, hopefully something positive will come of it.

Just my luck.

EDIT: Forgot to add that HDMI to DVI isn't working out because I don't see any boot-up/BIOS or anything until Windows loads up. Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3, i7-2700k, 32GB RAM, GTX-580, SSD's 7200 HDD's, Titanium HD sound, Win8.1 Pro. Pd13Ultra, GH4, Tascam DR-07

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EDIT: Forgot to add that HDMI to DVI isn't working out because I don't see any boot-up/BIOS or anything until Windows loads up.

That sure sounds like you have the Intel HD3000(IGFX) set in BIOS as the first initiation of the monitor (auto or hardset), probably not a good setting with the GTX960's intended use.

Jeff

The iGPU was definitely disabled in BIOS.

The card was returned yesterday, I had been in touch with the suppliers technical support team and and after a thorough investigation.. "Do you have ForceWare installed?".. and second.. "Do you want a replacement or a refund?", I decided I had had enough.

I have a feeling that hardware wise there's nothing basically wrong with the card, in another system it would work fine.. it's just in my system it was inconsistent and couldn't get DVI to work properly. Over the weekend I found a 35 page thread on Nvidia's forum full of people with similar issues (not only with 960 cards but across the range) and no resolution, it seems these problems are not only limited to DVI. Quite a bit of anger in that thread both at Nvidia and manufacturers for letting something like this through. It seems a lucky few got a new BIOS which for them seemed to fix it - but after 5 or 6 months of this card being available there's no official recognition of the problem or any fixes for it.

As with all these things, you only read about it if there's an issue and I'm sure there are a lot more happy customers out there than dissatisfied ones who don't suffer incompatibilities. If EVGA released a working solution for this I would happily try again but until then - they don't get my hard earned cash for something buggy. I'm back on my 580 again. Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3, i7-2700k, 32GB RAM, GTX-580, SSD's 7200 HDD's, Titanium HD sound, Win8.1 Pro. Pd13Ultra, GH4, Tascam DR-07

At least with the HDMI to DVI setup you should have gained plenty of PD13 editing experience to see if a better GPU would help your editing experience on your platform. Although obviously not a go forward solution lacking POST. I didn't see a way to disable iGPU in your BIOS other than proper specification of Initiate Graphic Adapter in the advanced BIOS tab and the default setting should have been ok. Your issue was surely strange, sorry to hear it didn't work out for you.

Everyone always has a horror story or two, I'm sure this will go down in the books as yours.

I had a spare Dell 1905FP monitor which is similar vintage/configuration as your Dell 2407WFP, I connected to both a EVGA GTX970 and 980 with no issues using DVI, normal boot.

Jeff

Well at least I now know I'm not going crazy..



I was worried they would test it in a newer setup and not find fault. Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3, i7-2700k, 32GB RAM, GTX-580, SSD's 7200 HDD's, Titanium HD sound, Win8.1 Pro. Pd13Ultra, GH4, Tascam DR-07