Quote: I've got one of those so let me play with it.

I was able to get the car sound if I boosted the volume via Audio Director 5 to the max (12DB) twice. AT that level, you sound like you are screaming very loudly with a megaphone.

I didn't boost it to max in PD13.

I just drove about a 1/2 mile with no heater or radio going. All kinds of clicking, klacking, banging and repetitive noises. Bill

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Quote: I've got one of those so let me play with it.

I was able to get the car sound if I boosted the volume via Audio Director 5 to the max (12DB) twice. AT that level, you sound like you are screaming very loudly with a megaphone.

I didn't boost it to max in PD13.

I just drove about a 1/2 mile with no heater or radio going. All kinds of clicking, klacking, banging and repetitive noises.

Where is that RAW video? That is what I would like to hear and play with.

The bottom line is anytime you want to remove noise, you will also remove some of what you want to preserver. The best product to remove background noise is no longer available ( ).

The one video I can find quickly was taken indoors so there is no background noise. .
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Quote: Where is that RAW video? That is what I would like to hear and play with.

Here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21386595/Engine%20Noise%20%281%29.MOV
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Quote: Where is that RAW video? That is what I would like to hear and play with.

Here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21386595/Engine%20Noise%20%281%29.MOV

That is what you already gave us above. What I wanted was the video from the 1/2 hour drive and not the one in your garage. You should be able to upload that to the file sharing site or to YouTube so we can download it. .
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Quote: That is what you already gave us above. What I wanted was the video from the 1/2 hour drive and not the one in your garage. You should be able to upload that to the file sharing site or to YouTube so we can download it.

That's not a 1/2 hour drive but about a 1/2 mile. The view is lovely, right after 14"-16" of snow! Bill

I grew up in Western PA so I know what a new snow fall feels and looks like. I also spent a couple of years in the lower peninsula. A couple days after the snowfall is the real life scenario.

Are you going to post the video so we can play with it? .
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Okay, here it is. I thought that it was a short video but instead I had to edit it down. This brings up a newbie question. An original video from the camera under properties shows as a MOV but the file format is MP4. The edited version saved as a QT shows as a MOV but file format as Quick Time. I'm messing something here.

The Ion website shows the specs as saving in MP4 format. What's a MOV in MP4 format??

That mic picked up every patched pothole, crack, etc. in the road.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21386595/Short%20Drive.mov Bill

Hi Bill -

Unfortunately, we're still dealing with the same issue. I don't know whether the audio level in the original recording (straight off the camera) was any better, but the produced file is just like the other one you posted.

Attached is a short snippet - with the audio edited in ADR & produced to WMV. Unless the original file is better, I can't see many other ways around it.

Here are two very useful video tutorials that explain the whole container/codec/format thing. It is very confusing, but they should help.

http://www.videomaker.com/video/watch/tips-and-techniques/17279-whats-the-difference-between-avchd-and-h264
http://youtu.be/WpBjGUlBTHU

Cheers - Tony
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Tony, excellent response to the question.

The videos taken by that camcorder will load into PowerDVD without any additional codecs or enhancements. The videos that I took with it has a normal audio level volume. I don;t know why the audio on wptski's video is so low. I still think that the microphones may be blocked or somehow otherwise muffled.

By the way, that action camcorder gives both a low resolution and a high resolution video for each capture I have never played with the lower resolution videos to see if the volume of it is at the same level as the high definition version. I'll try later today. .
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Accidental double post. .
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Quote: Hi Bill -

Unfortunately, we're still dealing with the same issue. I don't know whether the audio level in the original recording (straight off the camera) was any better, but the produced file is just like the other one you posted.

Attached is a short snippet - with the audio edited in ADR & produced to WMV. Unless the original file is better, I can't see many other ways around it.

Here are two very useful video tutorials that explain the whole container/codec/format thing. It is very confusing, but they should help.

http://www.videomaker.com/video/watch/tips-and-techniques/17279-whats-the-difference-between-avchd-and-h264
http://youtu.be/WpBjGUlBTHU

Cheers - Tony

Tony:

Thanks for the links! I did read up a bit on the containers and it is very confusing.

It's all about what's used for playback. I reinstalled VLC, player only with all other options unchecked. The last video I linked is an edited version and the whole thing player choppy something I never heard before. The unedited version right from the camera isn't choppy although the volume is about the same as Windows Media Player but much lower than PotPlayer. I never noticed this before but VLC's volume control goes to 125%.

At this point I don't know what right or wrong. You say that the mic's output is low but if a certain player is used, it isn't. I'm new to this but it seems like the audio component is more of a PITA the video. I've watch some YouTube video where the audio was extremely low. Bill

Quote: Tony, excellent response to the question.

The videos taken by that camcorder will load into PowerDVD without any additional codecs or enhancements. The videos that I took with it has a normal audio level volume. I don;t know why the audio on wptski's video is so low. I still think that the microphones may be blocked or somehow otherwise muffled.

By the way, that action camcorder gives both a low resolution and a high resolution video for each capture I have never played with the lower resolution videos to see if the volume of it is at the same level as the high definition version. I'll try later today.

It is the Air Pro 3 WiFi, the so called WiFi PODZ attaches to the rear and made to be used installed. I got the PODZ for a non-WiFi version stated to fit all Air Pros but didn't. Just removing two plastic locating pins(that didn't) allowed it to be installed. I accepts a external mic but to allow its use and keep dirt, etc out of the connectors, I located, transferred, drilled a hole allowing mic usage with that PODZ installed. In car usage has been with that PODZ with said drill hole plugged with a plastic plug I found.

Don't know where the unit's mic is located but "maybe" using this modified PODZ is causing an issue. What kind of built in mic is waterproof to 30'???? Bill

wptski

I see your video with Plug In, but not save to my PC, only purchasing QuickTime Pro.

I do not have Dropbox installed.

If you post your original video on a website as http://www.4shared.com/ or similar, this does not convert the video, only stores the file.

So we could download and try to check precisely what is occurring.

Obs: Maybe you should zip the file to the upload site does not recognize as video, and convert to another standard as does the Youtube. AMD-FX 8350 / 8GB DDR3
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Sorry Bill -

It's not ALL about what's used for playback.

You shot some video and you want to edit it in PDR. For that to work well, you need clear video & audio. As far as I can tell, the audio signal is very low (remember, we haven't actually heard the original audio yet - only a "produced" version - or was the first video you posted straight off the camera?).

Remember that, apart from my ute, cars are typically designed to shield the passengers from engine & road noise

POT Player does play back the audio more audibly, but that doesn't actually help you edit the thing.

Questions:
Is the original audio significantly stronger than the produced files?
Are there any audio settings on the camera that would help you get a clearer sound?

If the answers are no & no, the audio needs to be boosted in Wave Editor, ADR or some other software.

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Quote: I see your video with Plug In, but not save to my PC, only purchasing QuickTime Pro.

I do not have Dropbox installed.

If you post your original video on a website as http://www.4shared.com/ or similar, this does not convert the video, only stores the file.

So we could download and try to check precisely what is occurring.

Obs: Maybe you should zip the file to the upload site does not recognize as video, and convert to another standard as does the Youtube.

You don't need DropBox installed as it's stored in a Public folder. A private folder can be sync to more than one person. Bill

Sorry but I don't know what kind of mic is good to 30 feet. I have gotten the ION wet and there isn't an issue.

The built in mic is underneath the ION on the blu part of the case near the PodZ. There are two odd shaped holes.

I'm concerned that you has to do all that to install the WiFi Podz to get it to fit. I was able to install without issues. It was tight but it fit without modification.

The mic jack is internal (under the Podz cap). Take off the PodZ and reinstert your microphone or another one to see if the volume increases. What microphone do you have? Is there a volume control for that? Is there a level that either cuts off the microphone or reduces the recording level?

Two things :
1) Have you tried to record without the external microphone? How is the level there?
2) I'm still not clean if you have copied the files to your computer and then loaded one or more into the Power Director program to see what the volume would be there?

By cutting off the locating pins and drilling the holes, you have probably voided any warranty you have.

Use the information from above to work with your videos. With your modifications, I cannot try to duplicate what you are seeing.

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Quote: Sorry Bill -

It's not ALL about what's used for playback.

You shot some video and you want to edit it in PDR. For that to work well, you need clear video & audio. As far as I can tell, the audio signal is very low (remember, we haven't actually heard the original audio yet - only a "produced" version).

Remember that, apart from my ute, cars are typically designed to shield the passengers from engine & road noise

POT Player does play back the audio more audibly, but that doesn't actually help you edit the thing.

Questions:
Is the original audio significantly stronger than the produced files?
Are there any audio settings on the camera that would help you get a clearer sound?

If the answers are no & no, the audio needs to be boosted in Wave Editor, ADR or some other software.

Cheers - Tony

Tony:

Yes, the answer is no to both. I'll record a short one next time out. I'll try it without the PODZ installed also or both ways. Bill

Quote: Sorry but I don't know what kind of mic is good to 30 feet. I have gotten the ION wet and there isn't an issue.

The built in mic is underneath the ION on the blu part of the case near the PodZ. There are two odd shaped holes.

I'm concerned that you has to do all that to install the WiFi Podz to get it to fit. I was able to install without issues. It was tight but it fit without modification.

The mic jack is internal (under the Podz cap). Take off the PodZ and reinstert your microphone or another one to see if the volume increases. What microphone do you have? Is there a volume control for that? Is there a level that either cuts off the microphone or reduces the recording level?

Two things :
1) Have you tried to record without the external microphone? How is the level there?
2) I'm still not clean if you have copied the files to your computer and then loaded one or more into the Power Director program to see what the volume would be there?

By cutting off the locating pins and drilling the holes, you have probably voided any warranty you have.

Use the information from above to work with your videos. With your modifications, I cannot try to duplicate what you are seeing.

Ah! You may nailed the problem! The Ion suction mount doesn't use or come with a CamLOCK shoe so I got their Board Mount kit just to get the shoe. In order to get shoe facing toward the rear, I had to rotate the CamLOCK on the camera, the locating pin is spring loaded so that can be done. Doing that partially covers the front hole although it doesn't seal it off completely and "maybe" reduces mic input levels.

I have a Ghost Drift mic. The PODZ I got is part of an accessory pack because I couldn't drill a hole in the WiFi PODZ due to the electronics inside. I've used the mic but no comparison yet. Bill

Quote: Ah! You may nailed the problem! The Ion suction mount doesn't use or come with a CamLOCK shoe so I got their Board Mount kit just to get the shoe. In order to get shoe facing toward the rear, I had to rotate the CamLOCK on the camera, the locating pin is spring loaded so that can be done. Doing that partially covers the front hole although it doesn't seal it off completely and "maybe" reduces mic input levels.

I have a Ghost Drift mic. The PODZ I got is part of an accessory pack because I couldn't drill a hole in the WiFi PODZ due to the electronics inside. I've used the mic but no comparison yet.

Darn, that's not it either! Recorded with mic being somewhat blocked and unblocked, no change looking at it in AD5. I tried the externa mic and the volume was even lower. Thanks for the help. Bill