There's an easy workaround for that problem:
Split your clip as you are used to, and then...
...DON'T simply "delete" the clipped end, but choose "delete AND LEAVE GAP".
That leaves the subsequent clips in the original and desired position.

Michael.

You are right this is what I've been doing in the past week, and this is tedious when editing music videos for example having 50-100 clip changes during 3 minutes.

Give it a try and see how it works for you.

Yes, that behavior seems inconsistent to me. Make a clip longer, and everything after the clip stays in place. Make it shorter with the same grab-n-drag method makes everything move.

PD9 is lacking something I'd gotten used to in previous software. When wanting to shorten a clip by the easy, most intuitive method of grabbing, there should be a keybinding that temporarily over-rides the default behavior. Like, push CTRL while dragging left, and that makes everything stay in place. That would be nice to have.

RB

Quote: Yes, that behavior seems inconsistent to me. Make a clip longer, and everything after the clip stays in place. Make it shorter with the same grab-n-drag method makes everything move.

PD9 is lacking something I'd gotten used to in previous software. When wanting to shorten a clip by the easy, most intuitive method of grabbing, there should be a keybinding that temporarily over-rides the default behavior. Like, push CTRL while dragging left, and that makes everything stay in place. That would be nice to have.

RB

It is consistent. It is just a different approach- change to the clip duration should not make the gap larger. But I agree, having possibility to switch the mode of this action would be nice.
From the other hand- if you use multiple tracks, changes on one track will not affect others. So maybe only a change in a workflow is needed?
Br
Marcin

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Quote: Yes, that behavior seems inconsistent to me. Make a clip longer, and everything after the clip stays in place. Make it shorter with the same grab-n-drag method makes everything move.

PD9 is lacking something I'd gotten used to in previous software. When wanting to shorten a clip by the easy, most intuitive method of grabbing, there should be a keybinding that temporarily over-rides the default behavior. Like, push CTRL while dragging left, and that makes everything stay in place. That would be nice to have.

RB

It is consistent. It is just a different approach- change to the clip duration should not make the gap larger. But I agree, having possibility to switch the mode of this action would be nice.
From the other hand- if you use multiple tracks, changes on one track will not affect others. So maybe only a change in a workflow is needed?
Br
Marcin

Hi, Marcin - Thanks for the reply.

Yes, having multiple editing possibilities by using CTRL, ALT, Shift, combinations of those - that would make PD more flexible. More user control to over-ride defaults would make life easier for people who prefer to customize the way a program works.

But at least there's the work-around for shortening a clip without effecting other clips in the track - using the Slice and then "delete leaving gap" method works just fine. It's just not consistent with how we can make clips longer without effecting other clips, and it takes longer than a simple grab-n-drag move.

Much of the time we need all clips on all tracks to move to the left when we shorten a clip, so that's the logical default, but it's fairly common for me to not want anything to shift - It's not true that changes in a clips duration "should not make the gap larger"--In some situations that might be exactly what we want.

And so on - I'm just picturing how some editing would be less cumbersome than it currently is.

RB

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But at least there's the work-around for shortening a clip without effecting other clips in the track - using the Slice and then "delete leaving gap" method works just fine. It's just not consistent with how we can make clips longer without effecting other clips, and it takes longer than a simple grab-n-drag move.

I have just thought about another workaround- if multitrack is not convenient, we can use a black colour board or transparent PNG file as a gap, to have it exactly how long as we want it.
It is just up to our creativity in problem-solving
Cheers
Marcin