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What does hardware acceleration actually do?
QuikScholes [Avatar]
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I've been testing my system that uses an AMD 6 core CPU and ATI 5850 graphics card. I have been monitoring CPU and GPU whilst rendering. I'm confused as to what choosing hardware acceleration actually does, using a video wall of 4 1080 clips split into four quarters (no effects) here are some figures;

In the produce window hardware acceleration off;

CPU avg 95%
GPU avg 2%
Render time 2:29

Hardware acceleration on;

CPU avg 88%
GPU avg 2%
Render time 2:03

So clearly it is rendering faster but using less CPU and neither use the GPU.

If I add an ATI specific effect to each track individually the GPU goes to 50% both with hardware acceleration on or off?

I can only assume that choosing hardware acceleration is switching on some CPU specific routines and not effecting the GPU.
Cap'n Kevin
Senior Contributor Location: Chebeague Island, Maine Joined: Dec 26, 2008 20:22 Messages: 2011 Offline
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If you are using build 2504....you should see the GPU activity much higher when using ATI.....the previous build the GPU didn't appear to be used...similar to what you have reported.

When I installed 2504, my activity level of the GPU jumped to the 60%-70% level. But the final rendering result has not been good when using HA. I get many artifacts in the final production.

I think the way HA is supposed to work...when HA is selected the majority of the work is focused on the GPU and not the CPU.

Kevin
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QuikScholes [Avatar]
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Thanks for that, I'm using 2504 but can only see GPU usage when applying ATI specific effects. Maybe it's dependent on the output format. Can you let me know your settings and output format and I'll try to replicate.

The weird thing is that with HA selected it is faster but the GPU shows no difference.

Ta

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Cap'n Kevin
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Quote: Thanks for that, I'm using 2504 but can only see GPU usage when applying ATI specific effects. Maybe it's dependent on the output format. Can you let me know your settings and output format and I'll try to replicate.

The weird thing is that with HA selected it is faster but the GPU shows no difference.

Ta


Strange that you are not seeing the increased activity level. As far as settings, in my preferences...I selected both options...the parallel processing one and the decoding one. I think the decoding assists with playback during editing and uses the GPU to assist with playback to make it smoother and less jumpy if you are using demnding clips (HD).

Then with ATI and production...I can only select HA with certain file types...h.264...mpeg-2, some wmv profiles (the HD ones), and mpeg-4.

So a test for you...open Catalyst Control Center...select the Performance tab....select AMD Overdrive (this will monitor the GPU during rendering)...place the Nature.mpg clip 5 times on the timeline...select h.264 file type...1920x1080 Profile...make sure HA is selected and then Produce. The HA activity will start at 0%...then maybe up to 8%, then down to 0%, with occasional jumps quite higher. (see screenshot)

Hope this helps,

Kevin
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Cap'n Kevin
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I see you are using GPUZ....let me test it using that monitor.

So I used the GPUZ monitor and it showed activity level...remember that is isn't a constant level...it goes up and down.

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Cap'n Kevin
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I don't know if it makes a difference...do you have the latest ATI drivers for your card?

Might be worth trying if you don't....I don't think it would hurt anything to take a look.

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx

Good Luck,

Kevin
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vn800rider
Senior Contributor Location: Darwen, UK Joined: May 15, 2008 04:32 Messages: 1949 Offline
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I can only speak of ATi HA but it seems it has often been a bit "unexpected".

In PD8 this was noticed :-
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/10379.page#46022
but I never really followed it up.

In PD9, I started to do some experiments and it is clear that HA still produces unexpected results, particularly using custom profiles. I haven't completed any in-depth comparisons but the attached shows the basic for .mp4 files produced from an original 1080 60 fields/sec from a Sanyo HD1010, rendered using the same profile but with and without HA.

As usual, make of it what you will. My own view is that HA produces very different files, possibly from that expected, and often not conforming to the profile selected.

Cheers
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Cap'n Kevin
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I completely agree with Adrian....With this build I have NOT selected HA when producing my videos as the results are not as expected. It may be faster....but not better!

I have only been relying on my CPU to do the rendering with very consistent and great results.

Kevin
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Cap'n Kevin, I did as you asked and fair enough I had some GPU activity, it was up and down like a yoyo. Went back to my normal footage and the GPU stayed flat. I tried with some other 1080 footage and a single clip. With HA selected it rendered with the CPU at 25% avg, GPU 0% but rendered much quicker than with HA not selected and CPU at 80% GPU 0%. Seems like some acceleration is going on that the monitors are net picking up. Beats me.
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I tried the preview 10.12 drivers some time ago but was having some stability problems so I went back to 10.11
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Just so the Nvidia folks don't feel "left out". I had very little GPU activity until I upgraded my drivers (current WHQL release is now 266.58 ) and even MORE improvement when I upgraded from a GTX260 to GTX 465. About 40-50% GPU usage now with HA.

I agree with Kevin about the degradation of quality when using HA....and a whole DIFFERENT set of issues when using SVRT3!!

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pjc3
Senior Member Location: Australia Joined: May 29, 2010 19:33 Messages: 247 Offline
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I agree with Kevin about the degradation of quality when using HA....

I dissagree. Using nVidia here as well but I cannot see any difference between CPU or GPU rendering on AVCHD 1080p60 profile at average 28Mbps. Perhaps it is the profile I am using. Anyway very happy with speed and quality of GPU rendering. Panasonic SD9, Panasonic TM700, Panasonic SD600, GoPro HD Hero.
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