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Getting to the beginning of the clip AFTER an overlap transition
jerrys
Senior Contributor Location: New Britain, CT, USA (between New York and Boston) Joined: Feb 10, 2010 21:36 Messages: 1038 Offline
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When you use an overlap transmission, it seems to be impossible to get to the beginning of the clip AFTER the transition. You always wind up at the start of the transition, which is in the previous clip.

I ask, as always, what am I missing? It's a royal pain to change the transition type just to get at the ends of the clips, and you run into the problem I documented in another post (the tracks aren't linked when you fiddle with transition types). Jerry Schwartz
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Move the mouse cursor above or below the red dotted lines that outline the transition. Then you can get to the end of the clip instead of the end of the transition. Gateway DX4380, AMD A8-5500 Quad Core 3.2GHz with ATI Radeon HD 7560D; 16GB RAM; 1 TB SATA 7200 RPM; Windows 8 Pro 64-bit; PDR11, PDVD12.
jerrys
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Quote: Move the mouse cursor above or below the red dotted lines that outline the transition. Then you can get to the end of the clip instead of the end of the transition.


I'm having trouble understanding what you are saying. If I select either of the clips, the transition is outlined with a red dotted line (as you said); but there doesn't seem to be any above or below.

If I position the cursor above the transition, I get a "hand" that lets me drag the selected clip around. If I position the cursor below the transition, the same thing happens.

The problem is that I can't edit the starting audio level of the second clip. If I select the first clip, I can get at its audio track all the way to its end. If I select the second clip, I can't get to the beginning of its audio track -- it is "behind" the transition.

I'm attaching a picture, but unfortunately I couldn't capture the cursor on the image.
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Jerry Schwartz
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Senior Contributor Location: Melbourne Australia Joined: Aug 14, 2006 02:26 Messages: 1209 Offline
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Hi jerrys,

I am unable to recreate your issue, transition placed then 2nd clip highlighted, the red dotted line only appears on the video content not the audio, so I can adjust audio from start of clip.

We need other editors to also try to recreate your issue.

Robert
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jerrys
Senior Contributor Location: New Britain, CT, USA (between New York and Boston) Joined: Feb 10, 2010 21:36 Messages: 1038 Offline
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Your picture doesn't show an overlap transition. It is a cross transition positioned across two clips. That's very different, because the two clips don't overlap.

Take a close look at the attached image. This transition is an overlap transition. Pay close attention to the timeline. You can see that the two clips actually overlap in time. For all intents and purposes the first clip is "in front" of the second, so you can't grab the beginning of the second sound track.

If you look at the transition itself, you can see that an overlap transition does covers the sound track. A cross transition does not cover the sound track.

That tells me that this, at least, is a conscious designer choice.

There is a solution, which I suspect is the intended process: unlink the audio and video, then edit the audio in the wave editor, then (if you want) relink the two.
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Jerry Schwartz
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Senior Contributor Location: Melbourne Australia Joined: Aug 14, 2006 02:26 Messages: 1209 Offline
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Hi Jerry,

There is a major bug with transitions, CyberLink are aware of the issue

If I place the transition at the end of a clip then the audio track is still able to be edited from both ends of the clip, placing the transition at the start of the clip, causes the issue you describe. The cross over transition is the only one that is working correctly, placing the transition the the start or end of the clip also causes a black intro.

This is just one of many bugs reported by beta testers.

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jerrys
Senior Contributor Location: New Britain, CT, USA (between New York and Boston) Joined: Feb 10, 2010 21:36 Messages: 1038 Offline
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Thanks for the update.

If there were a list of reported problems somewhere, I wouldn't have to pester everybody -- but that's not a discussion worth having. Jerry Schwartz
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