Welcome gridleeep, no use swearing here as we are just customers helping each other.

First off I don't know what you are referring to when you say "no compressors"

Secondly could you please attach a dxdiag file which will help us start to assist you with a solution.

To obtain a dxdiag file....go to Start then run and type in dxdiag. This will open the dxdiag program.

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Hello gridsleep,

I guess you refer to the cirusmstance that for AVI you are not able to use any other codec than the codecs that come with PowerDirector 9 65bit ULTRA - right?

This seems to be a limiation of the 64Bit OS and the use of native 64Bit application. The needed API call from MS OS can not return any compressor info when use a 64bit OS and 64Bit application.

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PD8, in 64 bit OS, has Divx , yet 9 does not. Is that what you mean?
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Hello,

PowerDirector 8 is a 32bit application running on your 64Bit OS - it behaves different than 64bit application on 64bit OS, right!

neverless I will get in touch with out team to dig out what's wrong and if there is anything we can do about this. (please understand that I may not be able to post the results here in the public forum)

Br
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Just my opinion,

But I think that "gridsleep" needs to respond to everyones question before we know exactly what he is referring to. It sure isn't clear to me what the reference to "compressors" are.
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Attached are the x86 and x64 dxdiag files.

By "No Compressor," I mean when you choose .AVI and Windows-AVI in Produce, and then select the AVI Profile Settings (the little button with the gear and the three stylized lines of bullet text,) the Compression Codec displays "No Compressor." Which means any file is produced as a raw AVI file. I tried a 768MB video file I had finished editing and it came out at 11.8GB final cut. This is not acceptable. If there are no 64-bit codecs available, a 64-bit video editing program is just a gee-whiz experiment in wasting time.

I tried Shark007's VistaCodecs v586 but the AVI selection in PD9U64 still comes up "No Compressor."

Seriously, if I can't get any codec to work with this, I want my money back. I was happy using PD7, even if it was 32-bit.

Oh, and installing Shark007's codecs uninstalled my 32-bit KL Codec pack, so I can't watch TV on my computer except through PD9 now. This is turning out to be one of my less well considered decisions.

I'll tell you what I am going to try: I will uninstall PD9 and any and all codecs that are installed. Then I will re-install PD9 in this machine now free of any codecs, and see if PD9 installs any codec that it was supposed to. I will keep you posted.

Later: It did not work. There are still no compression codecs available for Windows AVI. I have gone back to good ol' reliable PD7 in the meantime.

I was attracted to PD9U64 since I thought it would cut rendering time by at least 3/4, and having up to 100 video time lines with all the new editing features just blew my mind. It turns out it's just a little early for all that. The other software that supports such a program isn't here, yet.

Thank you for the clarification...that was extremely helpful to me anyways.

And you can get a full refund within 30 days of your purchase if you aren't satisfied with your decision. I believe you just have to ask for it before your 30 day from date of purchase is up.

Hope you get the answers you are looking for....I don't ever work with encoding to an avi so it is something I don't have any knowledge of.

I hope you get some good news!

Kevin
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I think the AVI label confuses people. These are DV video formats and are not compressed. To compress, simply choose a different format other than AVI. That said, for some reason DivX is under AVI, too. __________________________________
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Jaime hit it on the head....AVI are usually Raw captured files.....so they aren't usually compressed. Most avi compressors are proprietary to the other application and Power Director doesn't always know how to decode these proprietary compressors.

That has been my limited experience anyways with avi containers.

Kevin
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Something interesting that I never noticed before, when you are in capture mode you can set up a DV profile with a compressor. How curious. __________________________________
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Being back in PD7, when producing a video in Windows AVI format, I can choose Cinepack Codec by Radias, Intel 4:2:0 Video v.2.50, Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2, Intel Indeo(R) Video 4.5, Indeo(R) Video 5.10, Intel IYUV Codec, Microsoft Video 1, Microsoft H.263 Video Codec, Microsoft H.261 Video Codec, Fraps Video Decompressor, Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V1, Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V2, Xvid MPEG-4 Codec, Helix YV12 YUV Codec, ffdshow Video Codec (which contains a list of other codecs twice as long at this one,) and No Compressor. I prefer the Xvid for the compression rate, video quality, and speed of rendering, though a lot of encoders are leaning toward the Matroska Video Container .mkv.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that none of these codec developers had any inkling that video editing programs would eventually be taking advantage of native 64-bit functionality, and have not yet even begun to develop 64-bit codecs. To me, that's like seeing that new-fangled invention the automobile, and continuing to make nothing but wooden spoked, steel-rimmed wheels as if no better kind of wheel would be required. None of the codec developers knew Cyberlink would be coming out with a native 64-bit video program? No. No, there's something missing there.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that none of these codec developers had any inkling that video editing programs would eventually be taking advantage of native 64-bit functionality, and have not yet even begun to develop 64-bit codecs. To me, that's like seeing that new-fangled invention the automobile, and continuing to make nothing but wooden spoked, steel-rimmed wheels as if no better kind of wheel would be required. None of the codec developers knew Cyberlink would be coming out with a native 64-bit video program? No. No, there's something missing there.

Now I COMPLETELY understand what you have been saying. As an example....let's say you were trying to create some tutorials on "How to use Power Director 9", and every screen capture program on the planet captures in an avi format using a variety of selectable proprietary codecs just like the ones you listed above. Then.....let's say you tried to import this avi captured footage into Power Director 9 and all you ever got was an error message or some garbled output in the preview screen. That would be VERY FRUSTRATING INDEED. I didn't have any trouble when importing screen captured avi clips into PD8.

Let's now say that the above actually happened and I was the victim!!! I said the same thing as you did....the developers just didn't realize what types of files might be imported!! It would have made the job much easier to accomplish.

With the help of the moderator of this forum I was able to find a few that were 64-bit and did import successfully into PD9 during its development.....but it was a very challenging stumbling block trying to create some tutorials.

The 64 bit avi codec that I ultimately found to work was Lagarith Lossless Codec (1.3.20)
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Quote: By "No Compressor," I mean when you choose .AVI and Windows-AVI in Produce, and then select the AVI Profile Settings (the little button with the gear and the three stylized lines of bullet text,) the Compression Codec displays "No Compressor." Which means any file is produced as a raw AVI file.

Since 1992, AVI (Audio Video Interleave) files doesn’t have any compression. Its the equivalent to BMP (Bit map) in video talking.

Up today there are several “new” AVI compressors like DIvX and others, that CL cant add all of or them. CL just lets you install you owns AVI compressors and CL it will theoretical recognize it (in some case fails, like in 64bits issues), but it doesn’t hurt.

Procude in other video format

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "it doesn't hurt." Do you mean I'm supposed to learn to live with it?

Because, in PD7, using the Xvid codec, I can take a 1.8GB MPEG-2 file captured directly by PD7 from a live stream, and process it down to a 508MB AVI file that is visually indistinguishable from the original. That's what I'm talking about.

PD9U64 does not do that.

PD9U64 seems unable to accept any codec. I tried the Lagarith, and the ffdshow, and the VistaCodecs, all 64-bit codecs. PD9U64 did not accept any of them. All the AVI properties window shows is "No Compressor."

PD7 can see the Lagarith and ffdshow because they have 32-bit counterparts installed alongside the 64-bit codecs. PD7 is more than willing to accept any new codec installed in the computer. It accepts it automatically.

I am beginning to suspect that maybe, just maybe, PowerDirector9Ultra64 might be broken.

And as for "procude in other video format," (I could almost hear the dismissive wave of the hand) every format of PD9 produces files over 1GB in size and even over 10GB. A half hour video file starting at 1.8GB and ending up at 1.2GB? That's not acceptable in the face of what I have been able to do historically. The only format that produces smaller sized files is MPEG-1 and that only makes 320x263 videos. Xvid can compress a 1.8GB MPEG-2 video down to 508MB with no change in the 720x540 video size. None of you have ever done this? Is this somehow outside the realm of your imagination? Are we even talking about the same program?

I'm getting the distinct impression that possibly you don't know what I'm talking about when I describe what I've been doing with PowerDirector for the past few years. As if I am trying to describe some outlandishly strange behavior for which PD was never intended. I'm not sure what to think after that.

During beta testing it was reported that PD9 no longer supported DivX, although if I remember correctly even the PD8 implementation of DivX was a bit unreliable in certain circumstances.

PD8 did support other codecs in 4:3 AR projects.

PD9 64 bit appears to have been designed not to offer such support in 4:3 AR projects. I don't know why.

PD9 32bit appears to offer the same capabilities as PD8 in this regards (proviso : I only have a late beta version on my 32 bit XP system, I haven't got round to installing 2316 yet)

I'm not sure PD9 64 bit is broken, I think its "by design" for whatever reason.

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Hi gridsleep,

Have you tried to make a custom profile in the produce page, of say H.264 AVC, where you choose the bit rate? A lower bit rate will make your video smaller in megabytes without changing the dimensions. H.264 AVC has the best compression while keeping the quality high depending on how low you go in bit rate.

I will say, trying to communicate over the web via typing is like 4 blind men describing an elephant when one is touching the trunk, another the tail, a third the foot and the last a tusk......very confusing.

Keep trying gridsleep we will do our best to help you.

Cheers

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I haven't worked in 4:3 for a while so it took a bit of memory to look at your problem. I'm not sure that I can agree with your points about file sizes. I just produced a 487Mb 704x 480 (3:2) .mp4 from an original 1.2 Gb 4:3 mpg and it seemed quite acceptable quality - I altered the .mp4 profile and tinkered with the bitrate. Not sure why it ended up as 3:2 - I used Ati APP so maybe that has something to do with it.

You may, of course, only be interested in .avi containers - if so I think PD9 64bit will not do what you want.

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Right now I am trying to produce an H.264 video from the 30 minute test MPEG-2 video I've been using. I created a custom profile with 2000kbps average bitrate and 2400kbps maximum bitrate. PD9 is doing what I have seen it do with one other test: it has finished the video but it is stuck in the Produce window. The clock is just ticking meaninglessly and it appears it is not going to announce it is finished. The last time this happened, I had lain down for a bit (I have a cold this weekend on top of a seriously bad spinal problem) while the video produced, not intending to fall asleep but I did. When I awoke three hours later, the clock in Produce was still ticking even though the rendering had finished hours before. Is this something that was not caught in beta? The file size was only 502MB, which is a point in PD9's favor.

I tried viewing the output file with MediaPlayer Classic (I have an aversion to using any of the Microsoft tools) but it would only play the audio. It appears the file was indeed not finished. Perhaps the descriptor was unencoded; could it be that's where it got stuck? Anyway, I cancelled the renderings which then deleted the file. I am running it again.

Later: And it crashed the computer. Then, I remembered it was overclocked for testing purposes. I set the BIOS back to optimal set up and ran the rendering again. The rendering appeared to finish, but the clock is still ticking while the program does nothing. I think I have found another bug here, people. Are you listening? This time the output file is 504MB. But I will lose it the moment I cancel the rendering, which I will have to do since PD9 doesn't seem to know how to finish it.

Even pressing Pause/Resume does not interrupt the clock ticking meaninglessly.

You may find that there is indeed a 504MB file left. If you play this file you may find where PD has problems with the file.

I have struck this problem before and found that where the produced file finishes is the place PD stalled. If this is at a transition or start of a new clip I have found moving the clip to a different part of the timeline or deleting the transition will allow PD to finish the video. My youtube channel====> http://www.youtube.com/user/relate2?feature=mhsn