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PD365 Avi Capture Codec and Deinterlacing and other options
Sledding80 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 16, 2023 10:50 Messages: 9 Offline
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Doing mass conversions of home VHS tapes. Does anyone know specifics on what codec PD365 (and power director in general) uses for analog capture of interlaced video to AVI and how it handles this?

The created AVI is definitely deinterlaced, likely using some sort of blend algorithm which is just ok'ish. Obviously, I dont see any sort of options for deinterlacing in PD. I'm tinkering around with capturing in another program to an interlaced video, and perhaps deinterlacing with some specific filters, and just using PD for video editing and final compression to mpeg2. has anyone tried out a few different processes and give suggestions?
tomasc [Avatar]
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I believe that it is Windows avi for the old 4:3AR video capture. DV-AVI capture with read/write to DV-AVI lanc controlled camcorder in PD10. This means that you could edit and write the edited portions back to tape in the camcorder. I believe that all these desired features may be missing in the present PD365 as this may be considered obsolete today.
BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Please describe "mass conversions ".
Welcome to the rabbit hole that is VHS captures.
If you capture AVI in PD your files will be colossal.
For capture:
Download free VirtualDub 1.9.11.
Download free AmarecTV 3.1
Dowload free Huffyuv 2.1.1 with CCESP patch 0.2.5
Download free Lagarith 1.3.27 codec

Now you will have 2 possible programs and 2 quality lossless AVI codecs.
Capture 720x480 top field first 60i in a 4:2:2 YUV color space.

You should be using a good condition Svideo VCR, and a proper capture dongle, not junk from China. Try Hauppauge Live 2 or the Diamond VC-500, both decent if not super cards.
Without benefit of a time base corrector (unless you have one), you should also get a good condition Panasonic ES-10 or ES-15 DVD recorder. Use only as a pass-thru, when needed, to stabilize a poor performance tape. You will need the remote to shut off the overly aggressive video noise reduction. Do not record to DVD!
Note: PowerDirector has an old bug of not capturing more than 1 hour or so and then just stopping with a warning that you have insufficient disk space. No attempt to fix it.

In the end, your captures will play in PD for editing, but Cyberlink has shown zero interest in adding functional lossless AVI codecs.


Any questions?

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at Jul 28. 2023 14:19

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Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
Sledding80 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 16, 2023 10:50 Messages: 9 Offline
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Quote Please describe "mass conversions ".
Welcome to the rabbit hole that is VHS captures.
If you capture AVI in PD your files will be colossal.
For capture:
Download free VirtualDub 1.9.11.
Download free AmarecTV 3.1
Dowload free Huffyuv 2.1.1 with CCESP patch 0.2.5
Download free Lagareth codec

Now you will have 2 possible programs and 2 quality lossless AVI codecs.
Capture 720x480 top field first 60i in a 4:2:2 YUV color space.

You should be using a good condition Svideo VCR, and a proper capture dongle, not junk from China. Try Hauppauge Live 2 or the Diamond VC-500, both decent if not super cards.
Without benefit of a time base corrector (unless you have one), you should also get a good condition Panasonic ES-10 or ES-15 DVD recorder. Used only as a pass-thru, when needed, to stabilize a poor performance tape.
Note: PowerDirector has an old bug of not capturing more than 1 hour or so and then just stopping with a warning that you have insufficient disk space. No attempt to fix it.

In the end, your captures will play in PD for editing, but Cyberlink has shown zero interest in adding functional lossless AVI codecs.


Any questions?


Lol, by mass, i mean converting about 50-70 tapes. So it's rough when I do a bunch and then find a better way I luckily have terabytes upon terabytes of storage space. Most will be played from my NAS to the family room TV.

Honestly, up until I upgraded to from PD14 to 365 and it started giving me the capture size errors, everyone thought the final product looked really good, so anything better would just be a bounus i guess.

I actually follow most all of what you said as I was already heading down that rabbit hole. My other program is AmercTV, capturing with the Lagareth codec. I probably have to learn more to understand why you suggest capturing to AVI 720x480 YUV instead of 640x480 RGB

Then I was using Vdub to run filters to deinterlace it. currently using VD Smart IQ Smoother-->VD SmartDeinterlace (blend mode)-->VD Sharpen (moderate)-->VD Unsharp Mask (light)

Then bringing it into powerdirector to clean up any lighting issues and convert to Mpeg2 progressive without smoothing or noise removal at 20,000 k bps

Is good to understand that PD is probably not the ultimate best for capture, however, it was far easier!

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BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Lol, by mass, i mean converting about 50-70 tapes. So it's rough when I do a bunch and then find a better way I luckily have terabytes upon terabytes of storage space. Most will be played from my NAS to the family room TV.

Honestly, up until I upgraded to from PD14 to 365 and it started giving me the capture size errors, everyone thought the final product looked really good, so anything better would just be a bounus i guess.

I actually follow most all of what you said as I was already heading down that rabbit hole. My other program is AmercTV, capturing with the Lagarith codec. I probably have to learn more to understand why you suggest capturing to AVI 720x480 YUV instead of 640x480 RGB

Then I was using Vdub to run filters to deinterlace it. currently using VD Smart IQ Smoother-->VD SmartDeinterlace (blend mode)-->VD Sharpen (moderate)-->VD Unsharp Mask (light)

Then bringing it into powerdirector to clean up any lighting issues and convert to Mpeg2 progressive without smoothing or noise removal at 20,000 k bps

Is good to understand that PD is probably not the ultimate best for capture, however, it was far easier!

The 720x480 YUV is as close to the original tape as possible, as I am led to believe through years of reading and capturing thousands of tapes.
YES! PowerDirector is much easier, no doubt, especially the down and dirty MPEG2 or god forbid crappy on the fly Deinterlace MP4!
So, for deinterlace...here we go again, download free Hybrid by Selur. It is the Swiss Army knife of video restoration.
Hybrid has built in QTGMC, the best deinterlacer hands down. I use it to bob my VHS to 60p, and I bring that lossless AVI 60p into PD for masking and titles and whatever. Hybrid can do 1,000 other things, too. It's all Vaporsynth and Avisynth, but it's all Greek to me, I just use it for a dozen or so specific things.

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HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
Sledding80 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 16, 2023 10:50 Messages: 9 Offline
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The 720x480 YUV is as close to the original tape as possible, as I am led to believe through years of reading and capturing thousands of tapes.
YES! PowerDirector is much easier, no doubt, especially the down and dirty MPEG2 or god forbid crappy on the fly Deinterlace MP4!
So, for Deinterlace...here we go again, download free Hybrid by Selur. It is the Swiss Army knife of video restoration.
Hybrid has built in QTGMC, the best Deinterlacer hands down. I use it to bob my VHS to 60p, and I bring that lossless AVI 60p into PD for masking and titles and whatever. Hybrid can do 1,000 other things, too. It's all Vaporsynth and Avisynth, but it's all Greek to me, I just use it for a dozen or so specific things.


Interesting, Hybrid looks good. Almost got it to work, is there a trick to get it to output to a lossless avi? it seems under base video processing to only want to process to lossy mp4 options.
BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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Hybrid will output to several codecs, containers.
As for lossless AVI, you get HuffYUV or UTVideo from my experience, so you can use your lossless files and process/filter lossless. Maybe you need to install the other codecs before they appear, I always had them installed so not sure. Selur has a forum and he is very responsive. But I always use PD for cuts and edits and export.
Get this...if you can get your PD14 to install as 32 bit, and install ffdshow, you'll get a whole new AVI interface! Mine crashed a bit so I stopped experimenting, but if yours worked you can capture lossless! HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
Sledding80 [Avatar]
Newbie Joined: May 16, 2023 10:50 Messages: 9 Offline
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Quote Hybrid will output to several codecs, containers.
As for lossless AVI, you get HuffYUV or UTVideo from my experience, so you can use your lossless files and process/filter lossless. Maybe you need to install the other codecs before they appear, I always had them installed so not sure. Selur has a forum and he is very responsive. But I always use PD for cuts and edits and export.
Get this...if you can get your PD14 to install as 32 bit, and install ffdshow, you'll get a whole new AVI interface! Mine crashed a bit so I stopped experimenting, but if yours worked you can capture lossless!


Hybrid ended up not working for me, and surprisingly, I found using Avisynth easier to use (using the preset QTGMC) settings. Deinterlacing with QTGMC produces noticeably better results than Virtualdub Smart Deinterlacer by Donald Graft.
BarryTheCrab
Senior Contributor Location: USA Joined: Nov 06, 2008 22:18 Messages: 6240 Offline
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"Hybrid ended up not working for me, and surprisingly, I found using Avisynth easier to use (using the preset QTGMC) settings. Deinterlacing with QTGMC produces noticeably better results than Virtualdub Smart Deinterlacer by Donald Graft."

Good for you figuring out Avisynth! It's way beyond me but I make use of it via GUI, I just click options. QTGMC is the only deinterlacer I even bother with.

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HP Envy Phoenix/4thGen i7-4770(4@3.4GHz~turbo>3.9)
Nvidia GTX 960(4GB)/16GB DDR3/
Canon Vixia HV30/HF-M40/HF-M41/HF-G20/Olympus E-PL5.
Tape capture using 6 VCR, TBC-1000, Elite BVP4+, Sony D8 camcorder with TBC.
https://www.facebook.com/BarryAFTT
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